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'The World Cup is all about the stash and the wedge'

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Mickey Skinner had a message for the England class of 2023 delivered second-hand this weekend by Jonathan Webb, his former 1991 Rugby World Cup final teammate who is now an RFU council delegate on the World Rugby executive committee.

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Webb, the former full-back who won 33 caps between 198 and 1993, played at two finals and he was in Le Touquet-Paris-Plage to make a speech at the capping ceremony in the French seaside town for Steve Borthwick squad.

All players, bar stand-in skipper Courtney Lawes who was left at the hotel following a heavy training session on Friday, and a multitude of staff – even legal eagle Richard Smith was present – were in attendance at Palais des Congres where they received their 2023 tournaments caps and participations medals.

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Before they were all individually called to the stage to receive their mementos, Webb spoke about his experiences at the World Cup back in the amateur days of rugby and the message he was asked to convey from some of his colleagues on the 1991 team that reached the final at Twickenham only for them to get beaten by Australia.

“I’d like to give you my own experiences in two World Cups,” he said. “It will be a far cry from what you will experience in the next seven weeks but it should give you an idea how this great event has changed.

“My first cap was in Rugby World Cup 1987. We played Australia in Sydney to a half empty stadium with no live TV coverage. I was on the bench with no expectation of playing given there were no tactical subs and full-backs traditionally never get injured. In fact I was eating a chocolate eclair when Marcus Rose was knocked unconscious and on I go, my first cap, all a blur.

“I subsequently lost my place and even gave up for a brief period before getting back to play again in the ’91 World Cup. We reached the final and that second opportunity was all the sweeter because having lost something you realise more deeply how much it means to you, so cherish every moment of these next few weeks.

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“I did ask a few of the boys for words to say to you. The vast majority is unprintable. Mickey Skinner, some of you may remember, the great Harlequins flanker said, ‘Webby, the World Cup is all about the stash and the wedge’. I’m not sure about that.

“I prefer George Schultz – not a great rugby man but a great statesman. He was in the US Government for many years and he said trust is the coin of the realm. When trust is in the room, whatever room that is, the family room, the school room, the coach’s room, the office room, good things happen. When trust is not in the room, good things do not happen. Everything else is detailed.

“I trust you all but most important is that you trust yourselves, Steve and the coaches and play without fear. Today is the official start of your France 2023 Rugby World Cup journey. That cap that you will receive will recognise the sacrifice that you have made, your loved ones have made and teammates around you to be here.

“As for the medal, this will also represent something else. Each medal is made from recycled mobile phones collected with the help of community rugby clubs around the country. So each one is a special gift, a direct link to the clubs where we all started playing, the fans, the grassroots volunteers.”

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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