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'There are too many laws': Ex-All Blacks react to Wayne Smith's comments

Former All Blacks coaches Wayne Smith and Graham Henry have reunited to try replicate their success with the Black Ferns. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Former All Black wingers Sir John Kirwan and Jeff Wilson have supported Wayne Smith’s calls for changes after the former Black Ferns head coach criticised the state of the game.

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The ex-All Black assistant coach made waves when he said he “switched the game off for the first time in his life” while watching the Highlanders play the Force, during which five yellow cards were issued.

Smith, who is a vocal advocate for removing the driving maul from the game, expressed his frustration with the number of stoppages in the game, as penalty after penalty leads to set-piece after set-piece.

Kirwan agreed with Smith’s views on Sky Sport NZ’s The Breakdown, stating that too many rules interrupt the flow of a game

“He will always have solutions,” Kirwan said of Smith’s criticisms.

“But I think the frustrating thing for us is there are too many laws, even the Blues game last night, every second ruck the ref has his hand out for a penalty.

“This is what Wayne is saying. What’s happening then is they are kicking to the corner, they are mauling, there is scrums, re-scrum.

“I pre-recorded the Blues game and I’m just fast-forwarding it, fast-forwarding it.”

Ex-All Black Wilson had a solution that would force teams to commit more numbers to a ruck by removing the jackal at the breakdown.

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He said that allowing players to snatch at the ball is ‘killing the game’.

“Hands in the ruck is killing the game,” Wilson said.

“Everyone thinks they can steal it at any time, particularly at lower grades.

“I just want one grade to try where all you are doing is contesting for possession with weight over the ball, pushing past the ball and that’s the only way you can win it.

“You have to commit more numbers to the breakdown, what does that do? It opens up space.

“You get to a point where it is just a mess.

“You think of an amateur referee, he has no ARs, no one telling him in his ear.”

“If we don’t think outside the square, take the game forward, like Wayne Smith is talking about, make it more attractive, easier to referee and more fun to play, for more people to play, we will lose the battle.”

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Willie 562 days ago

Too many pedantic rules BUT mainly too many refs without a "feel" for the game. eg ball at back of scrum, available for halfback and front row penalised - utter nonsense.
Wayne Smith 100% regarding length of penalty advantage. In most cases the "advantage" is to give penalty straight away.

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Keith 562 days ago

When a scrum collapses and a bent arm penalty is awarded, how about making the team awarded tap and run! Save time with resets maybe, I too like JK am using record and fast forward, a great tool to have!

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Rob 563 days ago

I don’t think wingers can understand just how much more engaging the game becomes for forwards when jackling is an option, that’s like saying well a winger has to pass the ball after a line break or something equally stupid, removing jackling would result in teams just supersizing their forwards making collisions even more dangerous.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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