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'There are too many laws': Ex-All Blacks react to Wayne Smith's comments

Former All Blacks coaches Wayne Smith and Graham Henry have reunited to try replicate their success with the Black Ferns. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Former All Black wingers Sir John Kirwan and Jeff Wilson have supported Wayne Smith’s calls for changes after the former Black Ferns head coach criticised the state of the game.

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The ex-All Black assistant coach made waves when he said he “switched the game off for the first time in his life” while watching the Highlanders play the Force, during which five yellow cards were issued.

Smith, who is a vocal advocate for removing the driving maul from the game, expressed his frustration with the number of stoppages in the game, as penalty after penalty leads to set-piece after set-piece.

Kirwan agreed with Smith’s views on Sky Sport NZ’s The Breakdown, stating that too many rules interrupt the flow of a game

“He will always have solutions,” Kirwan said of Smith’s criticisms.

“But I think the frustrating thing for us is there are too many laws, even the Blues game last night, every second ruck the ref has his hand out for a penalty.

“This is what Wayne is saying. What’s happening then is they are kicking to the corner, they are mauling, there is scrums, re-scrum.

“I pre-recorded the Blues game and I’m just fast-forwarding it, fast-forwarding it.”

Ex-All Black Wilson had a solution that would force teams to commit more numbers to a ruck by removing the jackal at the breakdown.

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He said that allowing players to snatch at the ball is ‘killing the game’.

“Hands in the ruck is killing the game,” Wilson said.

“Everyone thinks they can steal it at any time, particularly at lower grades.

“I just want one grade to try where all you are doing is contesting for possession with weight over the ball, pushing past the ball and that’s the only way you can win it.

“You have to commit more numbers to the breakdown, what does that do? It opens up space.

“You get to a point where it is just a mess.

“You think of an amateur referee, he has no ARs, no one telling him in his ear.”

“If we don’t think outside the square, take the game forward, like Wayne Smith is talking about, make it more attractive, easier to referee and more fun to play, for more people to play, we will lose the battle.”

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Willie 592 days ago

Too many pedantic rules BUT mainly too many refs without a "feel" for the game. eg ball at back of scrum, available for halfback and front row penalised - utter nonsense.
Wayne Smith 100% regarding length of penalty advantage. In most cases the "advantage" is to give penalty straight away.

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Keith 592 days ago

When a scrum collapses and a bent arm penalty is awarded, how about making the team awarded tap and run! Save time with resets maybe, I too like JK am using record and fast forward, a great tool to have!

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Rob 593 days ago

I don’t think wingers can understand just how much more engaging the game becomes for forwards when jackling is an option, that’s like saying well a winger has to pass the ball after a line break or something equally stupid, removing jackling would result in teams just supersizing their forwards making collisions even more dangerous.

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JW 5 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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