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'There was a mob of supporters waiting to beat Chris Ashton up'

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Sale boss Alex Sanderson has this week recalled the trouble Chris Ashton encountered on his 2014 visit to Belfast with Saracens to try and get his Sharks up for this Saturday night’s must-win Heineken Champions Cup encounter with Ulster. Both the Gallagher Premiership and URC clubs currently sit outside the qualification cut-off point in Pool B, ninth place Sale on five points with Ulster placed tenth with three points.

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That situation has set up a winner-takes-all situation at Kingspan Stadium and Sanderson, the former long-serving Saracens assistant, has been telling his Sale players about what took place nine years ago when playing away in Ireland with a Premiership club.

At the time, Ulster were one of European rugby’s heavyweight teams as they had contested the 2012 final versus Leinster and having been defeated by Saracens back at Twickenham in a 2013 quarter-final, the Irish province was determined to make home advantage count in its 2014 last-eight rematch with the Londoners.

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With Ulster’s Jared Payne red-carded just four minutes into the tie, Saracens went on to narrowly win 17-15 and the poorly received celebrations of the two-try Ashton were remembered this week by Sanderson when preparing his Sale team for the huge challenge that lies ahead.

“It is still a really worthwhile and brilliant competition for the exposure that it gives these lads on a bigger stage,” said Sanderson when asked by RugbyPass to sum up the pulse-racing confrontation that awaits Sale in round four of the revamped Champions Cup.

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“There is no substitute for that experience, having to go to a really partisan crowd like Ravenhill. I’ve been trying to describe it to the lads this week. I went there in a quarter-final with Saracens and there was a mob of supporters waiting for Chris Ashton to beat him up – and we should have let them have him. He swan-dived twice, he should have just scored the tries humbly. We looked after him, we snuck him out.

“But you don’t get there, do you, you don’t get that kind of partisan crowd so much in the Premiership. Maybe a little bit at Gloucester. So all these kind of experiences makes them grow as people, makes them grow as players, so it is still really exciting for me even though it [the Premiership’s financial situation] makes my job a little more difficult. We know what is coming, it’s going to be a fair old ding-dong.”

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Heading into the final round of the pool stages, four Premiership clubs (Sale, London Irish, Northampton and Gloucester) occupy elimination places outside the qualification cutoff for the round of 16. That is more than the Top 14’s three strugglers (Lyon, Bordeaux and Castres) and just one URC club (Ulster).

Each of the three leagues provided eight teams in the 24-strong tournament and the current playoff picture left Sanderson ruminating about the current trouble with the sustainability of professional club rugby in England. “We don’t get the support from the union, the government agencies or whatever it might be that the French get… and we need to have multiple streams of revenues to have this (salary) cap to come back up again.

“Let’s not beat around the bush, there is a world recession going on. My brother (fellow ex-England international Pat) works in the banking industry so the people directly affected by this are philanthropist owners, so they are getting the squeeze as well so I understand it from their point of view.

“That is what is affecting the finance. Your eyes aren’t open to it if you think everything is rosy. You have to do what you can to make the best out of what is a difficult situation right now and a lot of the Premiership clubs are kind of buying into that.”

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JW 5 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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