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'They don't give a damn': SBW on the Wallabies during the 'aura' years for All Blacks

Sonny Bill Williams of the All Blacks fends off Wallabies players after a try was disallowed during The Rugby Championship Bledisloe Cup match between the Australian Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks at ANZ Stadium on August 19, 2017 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Brook Mitchell/Getty Images)

Former All Black midfielder Sonny Bill Williams played the Wallabies 11 times over his international career, losing just twice during a time when New Zealand held a dominant place in world rugby.

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For most of the 2010s the All Blacks were the number one ranked side and won every tournament and trophy you could think of, including back-to-back Rugby World Cups in 2011 and 2015.

The dual World Cup winner shared his surprise at how confident the Wallabies always were when they faced off as Bledisloe rivals despite the standing that the All Blacks had at that time.

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“I always think of the confidence that they showed,” Williams told ex-Wallaby Bernard Foley on Stan Sport.

“We beat them, you could beat them by 40 points the week before, and then you know the next week, they’re going to be up for it.

“They don’t give a damn, you know. Maybe that’s because of the rivalry or I guess ‘hatred’ between the two countries, but I look at it as just pride.”

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The former NRL star experienced just two defeats to the Wallabies, one in Sydney in 2015 before that year’s Rugby World Cup, and once in Brisbane in 2017 in a dead rubber third Bledisloe fixture where Israel Folau and Kurtley Beale produced memorable performances.

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In between there were close wins and big wins, with Australia often turning around from a heavy defeat to push the All Blacks to the brink.

Williams most famous play against Australia over his career was not in a Bledisloe fixture, but in the 2015 Rugby World Cup where his offload to Ma’a Nonu set up a crucial try early in the second half.

He also explained the “cocky” All Blacks’ mentality at that time when they still had “aura”, where they looked at opposition teams and believed they would fold against them.

“I always felt like the teams that I played in, we still had that aura around us,” Williams explained.

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“You know, you had to step into that. You had to walk out with your chest puffed out.

“You know what I mean? Like these boys are going to fold. So yes, we always had that, people would say cockiness about us.

“But I felt like in that game, where it’s a game of inches, you had to have that.”

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MM 62 days ago

Teddy me old chum why don't you be a good peasant and piss off back to the bogside.

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Teddy 63 days ago

Me personally? What have YOU achieved? If you simply mean teams, we beat the boks on the biggest stage of all.


Have the syringe boks won anything without playing 10 man rugby and by actually complying with world anti-doping protocols?


Nice being called a peasant by a third worlder.

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MM 63 days ago

Answer the question Irish peasant what have you achieved in rugby on the biggest stage of them all, the world cup, sweet f#ck all.

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Teddy 63 days ago

You just wrote that in ENGLISH...


Post-irony.

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MM 63 days ago

Face it you Irish peasants will always be under the English boot, it's the best place for you,

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MM 63 days ago

Such a wanker 4 world cups under our belt what have you Private school Irish peasants achieved?

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Teddy 63 days ago

Cheers for proving my point. Ruddy good fella.


Christ, I hope there's no apartheid in Dublin 4!!! We'll need racial quotas then for the national team...

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d 64 days ago

I'd take SBW's analysis with a grain of salt; he was a league player who never learned to play rugby, and was used by the All Blacks purely because of his league rep, which mean he was a decoy to attract the opposition's attention. The he decided he was really a boxer.

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PC 64 days ago

Most don't consider the work ethic he bought. His commitment to training and being at his 0eak for every game was huge for the team. He also had a huge impact with tge Island players in the team and was their leader. Like it or not there is an heritage divide in the team and he was important in the role he played. He also played his entire career with a bung knee. Some didn't like his perceived arrogance and code swapping but what an athlete and he would walk straight into today's all black team. They desperately need another sbw or nonu.

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BH 64 days ago

He has won 2 World Cups, a Super Rugby title, a Ranfurly Shield, a NPC title, and beaten the mighty British & Irish Lions with the Blues...yeah he "never learned to play rugby"....pffffft gtfo with that crap!

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Teddy 65 days ago

Was the standout fixture in professional sport not too long ago.


Shame to see what it's become now. A misfiring ABs will still probably put 40+ points on the wallabies.

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Nickers 64 days ago

I think Australia have been in steady decline since the early 2000s. You would think that having a great team in 2015 and making the final would rejuvenate some interest in the sport in Australia but it seems to have had the opposite effect.


Australia's decline has certainly hurt NZ rugby in the last 5 years or so in particular.


I think Australia need to reduce their SR teams to 3 and consolidate what talent they do have. Australia has great athletes but it's not fun supporting or being a part of a team that hardly ever wins. Rebels and the Force have been a huge negative for rugby in Australia

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MM 65 days ago

Teddy as many Saffas say you are such a bore, the AB versus Springboks is the greatest rivalry in rugby and not a bunch of BlackRock schoolboys.

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JW 1 hour ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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