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'They don't give a damn': SBW on the Wallabies during the 'aura' years for All Blacks

Sonny Bill Williams of the All Blacks fends off Wallabies players after a try was disallowed during The Rugby Championship Bledisloe Cup match between the Australian Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks at ANZ Stadium on August 19, 2017 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Brook Mitchell/Getty Images)

Former All Black midfielder Sonny Bill Williams played the Wallabies 11 times over his international career, losing just twice during a time when New Zealand held a dominant place in world rugby.

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For most of the 2010s the All Blacks were the number one ranked side and won every tournament and trophy you could think of, including back-to-back Rugby World Cups in 2011 and 2015.

The dual World Cup winner shared his surprise at how confident the Wallabies always were when they faced off as Bledisloe rivals despite the standing that the All Blacks had at that time.

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“I always think of the confidence that they showed,” Williams told ex-Wallaby Bernard Foley on Stan Sport.

“We beat them, you could beat them by 40 points the week before, and then you know the next week, they’re going to be up for it.

“They don’t give a damn, you know. Maybe that’s because of the rivalry or I guess ‘hatred’ between the two countries, but I look at it as just pride.”

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The former NRL star experienced just two defeats to the Wallabies, one in Sydney in 2015 before that year’s Rugby World Cup, and once in Brisbane in 2017 in a dead rubber third Bledisloe fixture where Israel Folau and Kurtley Beale produced memorable performances.

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In between there were close wins and big wins, with Australia often turning around from a heavy defeat to push the All Blacks to the brink.

Williams most famous play against Australia over his career was not in a Bledisloe fixture, but in the 2015 Rugby World Cup where his offload to Ma’a Nonu set up a crucial try early in the second half.

He also explained the “cocky” All Blacks’ mentality at that time when they still had “aura”, where they looked at opposition teams and believed they would fold against them.

“I always felt like the teams that I played in, we still had that aura around us,” Williams explained.

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“You know, you had to step into that. You had to walk out with your chest puffed out.

“You know what I mean? Like these boys are going to fold. So yes, we always had that, people would say cockiness about us.

“But I felt like in that game, where it’s a game of inches, you had to have that.”

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MM 92 days ago

Teddy me old chum why don't you be a good peasant and piss off back to the bogside.

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Teddy 93 days ago

Me personally? What have YOU achieved? If you simply mean teams, we beat the boks on the biggest stage of all.


Have the syringe boks won anything without playing 10 man rugby and by actually complying with world anti-doping protocols?


Nice being called a peasant by a third worlder.

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MM 93 days ago

Answer the question Irish peasant what have you achieved in rugby on the biggest stage of them all, the world cup, sweet f#ck all.

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Teddy 93 days ago

You just wrote that in ENGLISH...


Post-irony.

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MM 93 days ago

Face it you Irish peasants will always be under the English boot, it's the best place for you,

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MM 93 days ago

Such a wanker 4 world cups under our belt what have you Private school Irish peasants achieved?

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Teddy 93 days ago

Cheers for proving my point. Ruddy good fella.


Christ, I hope there's no apartheid in Dublin 4!!! We'll need racial quotas then for the national team...

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d 95 days ago

I'd take SBW's analysis with a grain of salt; he was a league player who never learned to play rugby, and was used by the All Blacks purely because of his league rep, which mean he was a decoy to attract the opposition's attention. The he decided he was really a boxer.

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PC 94 days ago

Most don't consider the work ethic he bought. His commitment to training and being at his 0eak for every game was huge for the team. He also had a huge impact with tge Island players in the team and was their leader. Like it or not there is an heritage divide in the team and he was important in the role he played. He also played his entire career with a bung knee. Some didn't like his perceived arrogance and code swapping but what an athlete and he would walk straight into today's all black team. They desperately need another sbw or nonu.

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BH 94 days ago

He has won 2 World Cups, a Super Rugby title, a Ranfurly Shield, a NPC title, and beaten the mighty British & Irish Lions with the Blues...yeah he "never learned to play rugby"....pffffft gtfo with that crap!

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Teddy 95 days ago

Was the standout fixture in professional sport not too long ago.


Shame to see what it's become now. A misfiring ABs will still probably put 40+ points on the wallabies.

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Nickers 95 days ago

I think Australia have been in steady decline since the early 2000s. You would think that having a great team in 2015 and making the final would rejuvenate some interest in the sport in Australia but it seems to have had the opposite effect.


Australia's decline has certainly hurt NZ rugby in the last 5 years or so in particular.


I think Australia need to reduce their SR teams to 3 and consolidate what talent they do have. Australia has great athletes but it's not fun supporting or being a part of a team that hardly ever wins. Rebels and the Force have been a huge negative for rugby in Australia

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MM 95 days ago

Teddy as many Saffas say you are such a bore, the AB versus Springboks is the greatest rivalry in rugby and not a bunch of BlackRock schoolboys.

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JW 4 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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