'They're trying to sway them' - Owen Farrell admits family loyalties still in play

Ireland were absolutely more respected after that game. Nobody cared when Ireland came to NZ, nobody acknowledged them either to be frank. But once they won, oh boy now everybody knew Ireland were a serious contender.

You think Australians and Kiwis and Saffas don’t respect each other? Because we do chat a bit of shite online to each other, but there is still a great deal of respect.

Everybody respected Ireland up until they choked another QF after hyping themselves up for about a year and a half.

I’m pretty sure the people have suggested they targeted the fixtures, but more seriously, you would actually put it down to just luck? You sure you’ve not felt that it was more than mere chance from what you’ve read otherwise?

And I would love to know what stats you looked up LOL

Depends on who you’re drafting whether moves like that are unreasonable, and I have my own reservations, but its purely an opt in idea so they aren’t being forced at all. It also often results that those sorts of drafts just get traded back to Dunedin (if wanted).

I think there are much better ways than doing it like that Ed, but yes - and understand it’s an debate style program so each is asked to share a particular view by the producer - Mils is getting better but still takes a while to get ideas verbalized. I’m sure it was in his head that one too.

I was also merely suggesting you were critizing the wrong person, I wasn’t critizing your view on the ideas/options btw. You want aussie strong, so less NZers playing in it (Taylahs take) would be far better off than allowing kiwis to take their key positions to ensure there sides are comparable. It actually looks to be work fine just the way it is. But OK I take your point that a better argument from Mils’ camp would also give/ensure sides are evenish.

I see you also need to learn what the term poach means - take or acquire in an unfair or clandestine way. - Moana have more slots for non eligible players (and you have seen many return to an NZ franchise) so players are largely making their own choice without any outside coercion ala Julian Savea.

Not one of these Kiwis and Aussies would go live in the Islands to satisfy any criteria, and I’d say most of them have hardly ever set foot in the islands, outside of a holiday.

Another inaccurate statement. Take Mo’unga’s nephew Armstrong-Ravula, if he is not eligible via ancestry in a couple of generations time, he will be eligible because he plays his rugby there (even if he’s only their for rugby and not living there), that is a recent change made by World Rugby to better reflect examples like Fabian Holland and Fakatava.

It’s becoming the jump-ship/zero loyalty joke that international League is.

Look I understand you’re reason to cry and make an example at any opportunity, but you don’t really need to anymore, other recent changes made by WR are basically going to stop the Ireland situation, and time (perhaps no more than a decade) will fix the rest.

Very good post.

You also seem to be mistaken that she was critizing Kyren for it. You are way off the mark other than suggesting it’s fine for Kyren to switch allegiance.

You also either don’t understand what the word poach means; take or acquire in an unfair or clandestine way. - or you’re not familiar with Kyren’s decision/circumstance.

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