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'This generation's different, gone is the big Churchillian leader'

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It’s 20 years now since Martin Johnson was centre stage, inspiring England to Rugby World Cup glory with a belter of a rev-up speech. The no-nonsense engine room specialist was never one to mince his words and his reputation was fearsome. Spin the dial forward to the modern day and you’ll find a different type of trigger in use with the English looking to dethrone South Africa.

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Kevin Sinfield enjoyed a stellar rugby league existence before code swapping a couple of years ago, throwing his lot in with the Steve Borthwick union regime that took Leicester to a Gallagher Premiership title at the end of his first season in 2022 and is now looking to qualify England for next weekend’s 2023 World Cup final against New Zealand.

It was a baptism of fire for the 43-year-old defence coach at Test level, England conceding 30 tries in his first nine games and winning just three times. Now, following five successive victories at the reduced cost of just four leaked tries along the way, the outlook is suddenly bright and breezy with a semi-final now beckoning.

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Rumbustious Johnson-type leadership, though, wasn’t part of the turnaround. “It’s probably more subtle than that,” explained Sinfield when asked if rousing Churchillian-type speeches were still en vogue. “Understanding as well that leadership has probably changed. This generation is different. Gone are the big Churchillian leaders. They do exist but they are quite rare.

“I have spoken about our leadership group before and then as coaches, we are all different. I know you [the media] have spent a bit of time with Richard (Wigglesworth), Tommy Harrison, Steve, and it probably comes across differently. We all have our own ways of influencing and supporting. As of yet, there has been no Churchillian speech.

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“We are all different as coaches and have different characters and personalities. We all have different relationships with the players. We certainly have some big messages that we get across but then there are those individual relationships where you speak to a player in your own way – and we all have our own way.

“Having had the luxury of working with these guys for some time now, you understand what buttons you can press and the influence you can have and how you can support and help for those that need it.”

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In his league-playing pomp as a multi-trophy winner with Leeds Rhinos, Australia were the great enemy for Sinfield at international level for England and Britain. That other code background helps him to not feel in any way daunted by the prospect of Borthwick’s side going in against the world’s current No1 union side in Paris.

“I’m certainly not overwhelmed. I understand the challenge in front of us. But I don’t mind being backed into a corner, don’t mind being written off, don’t mind being slammed, don’t mind being in the thick of a pretty tough circumstance.

“I just think we’re in a World Cup semi-final. There is a lot of good in it here, there is a lot of things to be excited about. Coming up against them will let us know where we are at. But for our players, they are so excited to be out there.”

That’s no surprise given how England flew into base camp in Le Touquet-Paris-Plage at the end of August so brutally written off.

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There were accusations that their preparation was the worst ever by any England squad heading to a World Cup and there were even some dire predictions that they wouldn’t even emerge from a group containing Argentina, Japan, Samoa and Chile.

In the end, their results worked out swimmingly. ‘Rewind eight weeks and it was pretty grim for us at the end of August, but we want them to absolutely rip into it on Saturday night and give it everything they have got, otherwise you end up with a load of regrets for the rest of your life.

“I’m not sure we would have feared it [this clash with the Springboks] a month ago. Actually, it could have been what we needed at the time; an opposition that were different for us, to give us a different challenge. It might have been good for us.

“But we are really looking forward to this and you’re right, we are talking about different personalities and characters in the group – some will absolutely thrive on the fact that we are coming up against the best team in the world at the weekend.

“We understand that it is a physical test at the weekend but last weekend was as well (against Fiji). I know you guys will say there is a lot more coming this weekend, but the week before there was as well.

“I don’t think you can find many rugby matches these days that aren’t physical. You are going to have to draw in on that. The boys understand the magnitude of this one, both the opposition and it being a semi-final. We have to be ready.”

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Bob Marler 396 days ago

I scrolled and scrolled and I still haven’t found the point of this piece.

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KiwiSteve 397 days ago

'This generation's different, gone is the big Churchillian leader' and that folks is the problem. No Martin Johnson and more importantly no monster Phil Vickery who the whole team were scared of including Johnson.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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