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Thomas Ramos gives his take on controversial Cheslin Kolbe World Cup charge down

Cheslin Kolbe #11 of Team South Africa stop the try transformation of Thomas Ramos #15 of Team France during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between France and South Africa at Stade de France on October 15, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Xavier Laine/Getty Images)

Of all the moments at the Rugby World Cup, there is a case that none was more important that Cheslin Kolbe’s charge down in the quarter-final.

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The South Africa winger was able to prevent Thomas Ramos from adding an extra two points after a France try in the first-half, as the Springboks went on to win by a solitary point at the Stade de France. Less than two weeks later they were winning the World Cup.

A month on, this is understandably still a raw topic for the France fullback, moreso because he is still questioning the legality of Kolbe’s run.

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A player is well within the laws of the game to attempt to charge down a conversion, but they must be behind the try line when the kicker begins their run-up. That was questioned by plenty after South Africa’s win, and Ramos himself is not convinced his former Toulouse teammate was onside.

Speaking to Midi Olympique recently, the 28-year-old addressed the controversial charge down. He said (translated by Google): “At first I have an effect of surprise. I say to myself: damn, that happened to me! Watching the match again, I don’t feel like I’ve changed anything in my routine.

“When everyone says to you: ‘he left before,’ you want to say it too. I believe that, according to the exact rule, his feet must be behind the line. By the time he leaves, he has the foot on the line. But, once again, we can blame Ben O’Keeffe. But if the video referee had wanted to watch again, or had watched again the image, and considering that there was a fault, he had time to call the referee. It was more the responsibility of the video refereeing. These are two points which could have helped us win…”

That was not the only regret that Ramos had after the match, as he went on to list the areas in which Les Bleus went wrong in the 29-28 loss in Paris.

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“High balls, we could and should have done better,” he said. “There are 14 points that come from there.

“Maybe we could have been a little more ambitious when we were four points behind going into touch. We were really strong up front. We took the three points.

“We could have – to have been able to score on this action where Etzebeth hits the ball. These are frustrating actions.”

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Chris 371 days ago

Kolbe slowed down the guy was that slow 🤣

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Mike 371 days ago

He might do better in his playing of the game, if he learned the lesson in that charge-down:
That’s the level of commitment required to win the world cup.
Sorry for him that he can’t see that.
I suppose that is why he’ll never win a world cup. Poor guy.

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Jon 371 days ago

Haha you gotta love the brutality that Google translate delivers…

But, once again, we can blame Ben O’Keeffe.
You gotta feel for them with the Etzebeth decision as well. Despite it clearly looking like the ball went straight down that sorta thing should still be penalised as a deliberate knock on. Theres no way he was trying to play within the spirit of the game, and the laws.

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Turlough 371 days ago

Why France lost:
1: Galthie decision to leave Dupont on the pitch versus Namibia when itw as obvious he was being targetted
2: France not analysing their own defence for weaknesses before the SA match. NZ had exposed weaknessses on the defensive wing..twice. France didnt address this and allowed SA to stay in the game off France errors.
3: Poor referreing and TMO. We know the story but especially look at Arendse pushing Fickou into two French players for first try.
4: Given all of the above and a tight game: France’s inability to win a tight game. They won tight games by individual brilliance before the RWC, but in a knock out stage you rarely see games decided like that.

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Turlough 371 days ago

Am I the only one who saw Arendse pushing Fickou into two other French players causing them to fumble and giving him a clear run in for the try???

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Dirk 371 days ago

Ok so NZ is saying the TMO has done too much. Now France is saying the TMO has not done enough.

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Synergy 372 days ago

Winners make their own luck. Losers whine about winners being lucky...
Stop whinging like a “ Tom Curry”😄

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david 372 days ago

The whole world cup suffered from bad ref decisions.
There needs to be changes to make the rules easier to call .especially round about the kicking and scrums.

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Another 372 days ago

What is evidently clear is that France, England and New Zealand all had to endure contentious outcomes in each of SAs respective matches. How that is seen in future years is anybody’s guess, but there will be a lot of bitterness over the next few years, no doubt.

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Snash 372 days ago

Boks clearly showed ability to score more than their opponents throughout the tournament, so there is zero guarantee of a Fr win had the conversion succeeded, Ramos should be talking about speeding up his kicking routine, plus Cheslin slowed down, he was always going to charge that one down as for eg he knows exactly how long Ramos takes - its slow and deliberate.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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