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Thomas Ramos gives his take on controversial Cheslin Kolbe World Cup charge down

Cheslin Kolbe #11 of Team South Africa stop the try transformation of Thomas Ramos #15 of Team France during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between France and South Africa at Stade de France on October 15, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Xavier Laine/Getty Images)

Of all the moments at the Rugby World Cup, there is a case that none was more important that Cheslin Kolbe’s charge down in the quarter-final.

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The South Africa winger was able to prevent Thomas Ramos from adding an extra two points after a France try in the first-half, as the Springboks went on to win by a solitary point at the Stade de France. Less than two weeks later they were winning the World Cup.

A month on, this is understandably still a raw topic for the France fullback, moreso because he is still questioning the legality of Kolbe’s run.

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    A player is well within the laws of the game to attempt to charge down a conversion, but they must be behind the try line when the kicker begins their run-up. That was questioned by plenty after South Africa’s win, and Ramos himself is not convinced his former Toulouse teammate was onside.

    Speaking to Midi Olympique recently, the 28-year-old addressed the controversial charge down. He said (translated by Google): “At first I have an effect of surprise. I say to myself: damn, that happened to me! Watching the match again, I don’t feel like I’ve changed anything in my routine.

    “When everyone says to you: ‘he left before,’ you want to say it too. I believe that, according to the exact rule, his feet must be behind the line. By the time he leaves, he has the foot on the line. But, once again, we can blame Ben O’Keeffe. But if the video referee had wanted to watch again, or had watched again the image, and considering that there was a fault, he had time to call the referee. It was more the responsibility of the video refereeing. These are two points which could have helped us win…”

    That was not the only regret that Ramos had after the match, as he went on to list the areas in which Les Bleus went wrong in the 29-28 loss in Paris.

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    “High balls, we could and should have done better,” he said. “There are 14 points that come from there.

    “Maybe we could have been a little more ambitious when we were four points behind going into touch. We were really strong up front. We took the three points.

    “We could have – to have been able to score on this action where Etzebeth hits the ball. These are frustrating actions.”

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    Chris 617 days ago

    Kolbe slowed down the guy was that slow 🤣

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    MK 617 days ago

    He might do better in his playing of the game, if he learned the lesson in that charge-down:

    That’s the level of commitment required to win the world cup.

    Sorry for him that he can’t see that.

    I suppose that is why he’ll never win a world cup. Poor guy.

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    JW 617 days ago

    Haha you gotta love the brutality that Google translate delivers…


    But, once again, we can blame Ben O’Keeffe.

    You gotta feel for them with the Etzebeth decision as well. Despite it clearly looking like the ball went straight down that sorta thing should still be penalised as a deliberate knock on. Theres no way he was trying to play within the spirit of the game, and the laws.

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    BE 574 days ago

    Don’t understand your logic, Eben played the ball within the rules. Within the spirit means within the rules and fair. Logic that says don’t interfere when other team may score even with legitimate play sounds like charity to me.

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    Blanco 618 days ago

    Why France lost:

    1: Galthie decision to leave Dupont on the pitch versus Namibia when itw as obvious he was being targetted

    2: France not analysing their own defence for weaknesses before the SA match. NZ had exposed weaknessses on the defensive wing..twice. France didnt address this and allowed SA to stay in the game off France errors.

    3: Poor referreing and TMO. We know the story but especially look at Arendse pushing Fickou into two French players for first try.

    4: Given all of the above and a tight game: France’s inability to win a tight game. They won tight games by individual brilliance before the RWC, but in a knock out stage you rarely see games decided like that.

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    Blanco 618 days ago

    Am I the only one who saw Arendse pushing Fickou into two other French players causing them to fumble and giving him a clear run in for the try???

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    Jon 617 days ago

    If your outside centre gets muscled by a winger, I think you’ve got bigger problems

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    Dirk 618 days ago

    Ok so NZ is saying the TMO has done too much. Now France is saying the TMO has not done enough.

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    ww 618 days ago

    Dirk brother just fold your hands and listen to the music. Soon issue will be why springbok win by 1 points, let’s change and say if a team win by 1 point isn’t a win….lol. after 2019 they said springbok is boring , conservative rugby and we shambles all black 35:7 in Twickenham, we scored more tries against France. I can tell you even the game against Ireland if we had accurate goal kicker we could have won it by far.

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    Synergy 618 days ago

    Winners make their own luck. Losers whine about winners being lucky...

    Stop whinging like a “ Tom Curry”😄

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    Blanco 618 days ago

    Stop talking sh1te please. These are knife edge games. France’s recent winning record is superior to SAs as is Ireland’s. The TMO not spotting Arendse pushing Fickou for first SA try. Was that SA ‘making their own luck’? Stop being ridiculous

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    david 618 days ago

    The whole world cup suffered from bad ref decisions.

    There needs to be changes to make the rules easier to call .especially round about the kicking and scrums.

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    JW 617 days ago

    Not in this situation there doesn’t.


    True the rules need to be easier to call so that there a less decisions being made on the field. Not where it is just being pedantic to worry if the foot is on over or behind (like with lineout throws) when it doesn’t matter.

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    ww 618 days ago

    Lol funny how people point to part of the game that their team is weak at. Scrum and kicking this is funny. Why can’t thus team work their rate in those part to improve and be competitive rather than crying like toothless baby? I mean, lineouts we dominated against Ireland, scrum we are the champion of it. Please let’s not be bitter lovers.

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    Another 618 days ago

    What is evidently clear is that France, England and New Zealand all had to endure contentious outcomes in each of SAs respective matches. How that is seen in future years is anybody’s guess, but there will be a lot of bitterness over the next few years, no doubt.

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    Blanco 618 days ago

    New Zealand didn’t. Nice try but New Zealand didn’t.

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    Snash 618 days ago

    Boks clearly showed ability to score more than their opponents throughout the tournament, so there is zero guarantee of a Fr win had the conversion succeeded, Ramos should be talking about speeding up his kicking routine, plus Cheslin slowed down, he was always going to charge that one down as for eg he knows exactly how long Ramos takes - its slow and deliberate.

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    Blanco 618 days ago

    I have to say after we beat you in the Pool I honestly couldnt see a way for SA to win. That’s why the SA-Ire game was so intense. The route via France was much much harder. I thought England would have a chance of upsetting whomever won between Fra/SA and even if they managed that the fresher team from the other side would prevail. SA were definitely better than their opponents in the last minutes and their physical game helps when the pressure is on. You do need a bit of luck though. France were trying to put you away in the first half. I won’t say much but look at Arendse’s try again. Nobody has spotted it and well done Arendse…but..have a look at Arendse just before the high ball drops down

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    CO 618 days ago

    Nonsense, they didn't a score a solitary point in the final. Gifted 13 points with at least three of that simulation by Faf on De Groot.


    Zero tries, opposition tries cancelled out by the TMO operating outside the remit.


    Zero points scored in the second half, cynical slap downs and retiring into the ball being passed, where was the TMO then with the penalty try?


    Why have TMO’s forensically examining just tries? Surely we want more tries than goal kicks. Why isn't the TMO forensically examining the awarded penalties or do the English just want no tries?


    If the TMO checked the penalties wouldn't he clearly see Faf’s simulation and warn the ref he's about to reward a team for no endeavour?


    Any slap downs of the ball should be at least a penalty, what Etzebeth did to the certain French try isn't in the spirit of the game.


    Let's make it simple, if a player makes no effort to catch the ball then it's a penalty. If the slap down saves a certain try then it's a penalty try.


    We want to see tries not slapdowns, regardless of whether it's forward or back.


    The two points Ramos missed out on was the difference, no way was he moving into kick the ball before Kolbe started his run.

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    RS 618 days ago

    No matter what. SA is not going to give the world cup back in a matter of remorse. BUT: I watched the video very carefully and Thomas had lifted his feet off the ground and was goose stepping around when Kolbe started his charge. Kolbe is a highly experienced player, and he knows what he is doing. He even said he had studied Thomas’s kicks beforehand and saw oppurtunity. Jammer, Maats!

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    CC 618 days ago

    In fact l don’t remember the work cup being returned to the losing team, it would be very interesting, it reminds me when Maradona scored with his hand against England, the cup never returned

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