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Three talking points as Leinster and Toulouse name cup final teams

Leinster's Cian Healy larks around with a kick at Friday's captain's run in London (Photo by Harry Murphy/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

With the confirmation on Friday of the respective match day 23s, all is now in readiness for Saturday’s heavyweight Investec Champions Cup final in London.

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In the blue corner, we have Leinster, the four-time champions from Ireland who are looking to strike gold following defeats in the 2022 Marseille and 2023 Dublin finals to La Rochelle.

Toulouse, meanwhile, occupy the red corner and they are heading to Tottenham confident of adding a sixth star to their jersey – and a first since their 2021 title win over La Rochelle at Twickenham.

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Here, RugbyPass sizes up some of the major team selection talking points:

Saving Ryan for later
The legendary Brian O’Driscoll got the mathematics correct when asked by RugbyPass in midweek to predict the number of changes Leo Cullen would make to his Leinster XV. He said there would be three, which there were.

However, while he was spot on in suggesting that the fit-again Hugo Keenan would take over at full-back from Ciaran Frawley and that the chopper Will Connors would supplant Josh van der Flier as the starting flanker, he was blindsided by the outcome at lock.

James Ryan played the full 80 for Leinster last weekend in his first match since a training ground bicep injury with Ireland in early March. Having skippered the club in last year’s final, the expectation was that he would come in to start in place of Ross Molony.

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That switch hasn’t happened. Instead, Jason Jenkins has been given the No4 jersey with Ryan held in reserve even though Champions Cup starts haven’t been frequent for the South African international.

At Munster, he was a sub in all four 2021/22 appearances and he also subbed in four of his five runs last term after his switch to Leinster.

The Jacques Nienaber influence since his late November arrival at Leinster, though, has seen an improvement in his fellow countryman’s fortunes.

Having started last month’s quarter-final win over La Rochelle, he has now been recalled to the XV to make a fourth start in seven Champions Cup games this season. It’s a gamble but one Leinster have willingly taken.

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The Brennan factor
Trevor Brennan famously had the last laugh at Matt Williams’ Leinster in the early noughties, falling down the pecking order at the Irish province and going on to win the Heineken Cup with Toulouse at the first attempt.

All the chat that 2002/23 season was about the final being staged at Lansdowne Road, providing Leinster – and Munster – every incentive to work their way through to a home final.

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There was no all-Irish decider though as Toulouse, with the firebrand Brennan lighting up their sense of mischief, picked off Munster in the semi-finals in France the day before Perpignan came to Dublin to ambush Williams’ running-on-quicksand Leinster.

Brennan revelled in the resulting all-French final, even jumping into a police car with the trophy to get to the airport after a celebration at Kiely’s, the Donnybrook pub that was the premier watering hole at the time for Leinster fans.

Twenty-one years on from that memorable escapade, Brennan’s son Joshua will now look to play spoilsport having been named on the Toulouse bench for this Saturday’s latest final.

The forward is the second cab off the rank of a family that stayed on in the Toulouse area after dad’s playing career finished.

The 25-year-old Daniel is currently propping for Brive in Pro D2 having started at the Toulouse academy before a switch to Montpellier.

Meanwhile, Joshua, who is three years younger, has made the grade at his father’s old club and is now poised for his 21st appearance of this season having been chosen in the No20 jersey ahead of Mathis Castro-Ferreira, the back-rower who subbed the last day against Harlequins.

Brennan has represented France U20s and his inclusion versus Leinster has him poised to play against his second Irish province in the space of four months as he was a used sub in the January win over Ulster in Belfast.

With Toulouse opting for a five/three forwards/backs split on their bench compared to Leinster’s six/two divide, Brennan’s positional flexibility could be important. Five of his 11 Top 14 starts this term have been at lock, with six more coming at openside.

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Six/two versus five/three divide
The difference in the respective bench formats is intriguing. Having gone with a six/two split to dethrone La Rochelle in the quarter-final, Leinster reverted to five/three for their semi-final with Northampton but they have now gone back to a six/two divide for the final in contrast to Toulouse’s five/three selection.

Having an additional forward was never a Leinster tactic in the Cullen/Stuart Lancaster era – which produced a title in 2018 – but Cullen has had his head turned by Nienaber and his famed South African ‘bomb squad’ strategy from the Rugby World Cup.

Ryan, Jack Conan, and van der Flier are quite the combination to bring into the final fray off the bench separate from their three front row reserves.

The signal is clear – the now more physically-minded Leinster are looking to outmuscle opposition and defend better compared to previous finals when attacking creativity was at the core of their game plan.

Look at how they brilliantly blitzed La Rochelle in last year’s opening quarter and how they also led from the front for most of the 2022 decider, sidestepping collisions rather than willingly embracing them before getting pipped by late, late scores.

There is an argument that Leinster’s quality of passing and attacking lines of running aren’t as polished this season with so much energy being expended on learning the mechanics of the Nienaber blitz defence.

The key against Toulouse is whether they can now turn this defence into enough of an attacking weapon to make the critical winning difference on the scoreboard. Going six/two on their bench is a bold tactic aimed at making that happen.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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