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Top 14-based England centre Joe Marchant wades into eligibility debate

Joe Marchant (Photo by Paul Harding/Getty Images)

While France’s Top 14 and Pro D2 are about to see a considerable influx of England internationals next season, including centurions Owen Farrell and Courtney Lawes, Stade Francais centre Joe Marchant will be part of a small subset of Englishmen based across the Channel who are in the prime of their careers.

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While the likes of Farrell, Lawes, Manu Tuilagi, Billy Vunipola and Jonny May have all been great servants to English rugby, they are all in their 30s and some have even retired from international rugby altogether.

Marchant, aged 27, is a member of a contingent, alongside Toulouse’s Jack Willis, Montpellier’s Sam Simmonds, Racing 92’s Henry Arundell and Toulon’s David Ribbans, who are currently at the peak of their powers (albeit Arundell is yet to reach his peak) but unable to represent their country due to the RFU’s foreign-based policy.

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The case from England’s perspective to keep the policy in place is a valid one, and it holds water. The lure of playing for England is the main incentive in remaining in the Gallagher Premiership rather than making a lucrative move abroad- remove that and there could be a major exodus in which the league, and in turn English rugby as a whole, will suffer.

But with Top 14 inevitably set to gain an increasingly Anglian hue over the coming years, this debate will only intensify.

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While the players in the twilight of their careers may find it easier to come to terms with not playing for England again, the likes of Marchant will find it harder to accept, particularly as he agreed the move from Harlequins to Stade Francais at a time when he appeared to be exiled by Eddie Jones.

It would be hard to deny Willis a place in an England matchday squad on merit alone, particularly after a legendary defensive display in the Investec Champions Cup final last month, and with Stade Francais finishing the regular Top 14 season in second place, Marchant would likely be in that team with him.

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Joining Le French Rugby podcast recently, the centre, who started in all but one of England’s World Cup matches last year before leaving, gave his take on the current RFU policy and his ideal situation for English rugby.

“Look at Jack Willis now,” he said.

“He’s just won a European Champions Cup, he’s won a Top 14, he’s literally done what so many in France want to be doing.

“It’s hard to get in that team. He’s fighting every week to get in that starting team and he’s absolutely nailing it. So that’s not doing him any bad for his career. That’s just making him a better player.

“There’s a load of new lads coming over next year. Obviously, Lewis Ludlam is coming over, Kyle Sinckler, we’ve got Owen Farrel coming over. We’ve got a load of boys.

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“It’s just one of those things where I hope England rugby play the best rugby they can and pick anyone they can.

“Obviously, I want to play for England again. I didn’t come here being like ‘nah I don’t want to play for England’. It wasn’t like that at all. It’s just the fact that I didn’t think I was going to and it was an opportunity that I couldn’t say no to.”

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Anthony 190 days ago

With a couple of exceptions the players who moved to France are coming to the end of their careers. Why not maximise their earnings while they can .
England are building a new team and some of those players knew they were on borrowed time .
Its a shame for Marchant as he would have been part of the team but lets face it , he has been messed about by the England management . Was he in or out ?
The English football team suffers because of all the foreign players in the top teams . Rugby is heading that way if its not careful .
Keep the rule . Players know what it means .

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john 192 days ago

Looks like he made a bad decision by the time he gets back England May have a settled team

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GrahamVF 19 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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