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Top 14 : Vannes n’y arrive toujours pas

Le demi d'ouverture français de Vannes, Thibault Debaes (à gauche), est plaqué lors du match de Top 14 entre l'USA Perpignan et le RC Vannes au stade Aimé-Giral de Perpignan, dans le sud-ouest de la France, le 2 novembre 2024. (Photo by IDRISS BIGOU-GILLES / AFP) (Photo by IDRISS BIGOU-GILLES/AFP via Getty Images)

Avec cette nouvelle défaite 32-13 à Perpignan samedi 2 novembre, le RC Vannes termine le premier bloc de la saison à la dernière place avec sept défaites en neuf matchs.

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Les deux seules éclaircies sont arrivées au Stade de la Rabine avec un 30-20 contre Lyon (21 septembre) et 34-28 face à Castres (26 octobre). Contre Toulouse, le Stade Français, Toulon, le Racing 92, Montpellier et Clermont, ça a été beaucoup plus compliqué.

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Et au lendemain de la trêve, le programme ne s’annonce guère plus optimiste avec la réception de Bordeaux (1er en date du 2 novembre) le 23 novembre et le déplacement à La Rochelle (3e) le week-end suivant.

« Pas de solution » selon Spitzer

« Il aurait fallu énormément de réussite pour espérer quelque chose. Il n’y avait pas de solutions aujourd’hui », regrettait Jean-Noël Spitzer, l’entraîneur du RC Vannes après le match à Perpignan, en pointant du doigt les axes d’amélioration.

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Joel Kpoku on life in the very physical French Top 14

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Joel Kpoku on life in the very physical French Top 14

« Ce n’est pas une désillusion, on a été sous pression par une très bonne équipe de Perpignan. Il aurait fallu faire un autre match sur la précision, la connexion, la réussite aussi pour espérer autre chose. Est-ce que c’est dû à nos insuffisances ou à la pression de l’adversaire ? Je n’ai pas senti qu’on pouvait faire basculer le match en notre faveur.

« On a été dominé en conquête sur la première mi-temps mais la pression de l’Usap sur le jeu au sol nous a empêchés d’avoir des sorties rapides. Avoir tous les ballons en touche, ce n’est pas si compliqué mais pouvoir les utiliser ensuite dans de bonnes conditions, c’est différent. Ça nous a privés de munitions et notre jeu derrière n’a pas été propre. »

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Petits Poucet du Top 14, les Bretons font la difficile expérience du très haut niveau français, eux qui pensaient qu’une victoire était possible à Perpignan, avant-dernier avant le coup d’envoi et qui devait faire avec plusieurs absences.

Phases statiques

7
Mêlées
8
71%
% de mêlées gagnées
63%
19
Touche
12
84%
% de touches gagnées
75%
7
Renvois réussis
4
86%
% de renvois réussis
100%

« Quand je vois l’infirmerie de Perpignan et la qualité des joueurs aujourd’hui, ça prouve la densité d’un effectif de Top 14 et le chemin qui nous reste à parcourir. Ce n’est pas une surprise », admet Spitzer.

A l’inverse, Guillaume Vilaceca (entraîneur adjoint de Perpignan), se déclarait satisfait : « J’ai bien aimé le caractère des joueurs, qui ont su réagir après deux essais refusés après visionnage vidéo. On a fait preuve d’une belle force collective. On est toujours dans le bon wagon du Top 14. »

La première participation de l’international italien Stephen Varney aurait donc pu être meilleure, lui qui est entré en jeu à la 55e minute.

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Le RC Vannes va désormais libérer ses internationaux :  Francisco Gorrissen et Juan Bautista Pedemonte pour l’Argentine, Iñaki Ayarza pour le Chili, Martin Alonso Muñoz pour l’Espagne et Charlesty Berguet, Jean-Maurice Decubber et Maurice Fromont pour la Belgique.


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Oh no, not him again? 3 hours ago
England internationals disagree on final play execution vs All Blacks

Okay, so we blew it big time on Saturday. So rather than repeating what most people have all ready said, what do I want to see from Borthwick going forward?


Let's keep Marcus Smith on the pitch if he's fit and playing well. I was really pleased with his goal kicking. It used to be his weakness. I feel sympathy for George Ford who hadn't kicked all match and then had a kick to win the game. You hear pundits and commentators commend kickers who have come off the bench and pulled that off. Its not easy. If Steve B continues to substitute players with no clear reason then he is going to get criticised.


On paper I thought England would beat NZ if they played to their potential and didn't show NZ too much respect. Okay, the off the ball tackles certainly stopped England scoring tries, but I would have liked to see more smashing over gainlines and less kicking for position. Yes, I also know it's the Springbok endorsed world cup double winning formula but the Kiwi defence isn't the Bok defence, is it. If you have the power to put Smith on the front foot then why muzzle him? I guess what I'm saying is back, yourself. Why give the momentum to a team like NZ? Why feed the beast? Don't give the ball to NZ. Well d'uh.


Our scrum is a long term weakness. If you are going to play Itoje then he needs an ogre next door and a decent front row. Where is our third world class lock? Where are are realible front row bench replacements? The England scrum has been flakey for a while now. It blows hot and cold. Our front five bench is not world class.


On the positive side I love our starting backrow right now. I'd like to see them stick together through to the next world cup.


Anyway, there is always another Saturday.

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CO 3 hours ago
Scott Robertson responds to criticism over All Blacks' handling errors

Robertson is more a manager of coaches than a coach so it comes down to intent of outcomes at a high level. I like his intent, I like the fact his Allblacks are really driving the outcomes however as he's pointed out the high error rates are not test level and their control of the game is driving both wins and losses. England didn't have to play a lot of rugby, they made far fewer mistakes and were extremely unlucky not to win.


In fact the English team were very early in their season and should've been comfortably beaten by an Allblacks team that had played multiple tests together.


Razor has himself recognised that to be the best they'll have to sort out the crisis levels of mistakes that have really increased since the first two tests against England.


Early tackles were a classic example of hyper enthusiasm to not give an inch, that passion that Razor has achieved is going to be formidable once the unforced errors are eliminated.


That's his secret, he's already rebuilt the passion and that's the most important aspect, its inevitable that he'll now eradicate the unforced errors. When that happens a fellow tier one nation is going to get thrashed. I don't think it will be until 2025 though.


The Allblacks will lose both tests against Ireland and France if they play high error rates rugby like they did against England.


To get the unforced errors under control he's going to be needing to handover the number eight role to Sititi and reset expectations of what loose forwards do. Establish a clear distinction with a large, swarthy lineout jumper at six that is a feared runner and dominant tackler and a turnover specialist at seven that is abrasive in contact. He'll then need to build depth behind the three starters and ruthlessly select for that group to be peaking in 2027 in hit Australian conditions on firm, dry grounds.


It's going to help him that Savea is shifting to the worst super rugby franchise where he's going to struggle behind a beaten pack every week.


The under performing loose forward trio is the key driver of the high error rates and unacceptable turn overs due to awol link work. Sititi is looking like he's superman compared to his openside and eight.


At this late stage in the season they shouldn't be operating with just the one outstanding loose forward out of four selected for the English test. That's an abject failure but I think Robertson's sacrificing link quality on purpose to build passion amongst the junior Allblacks as they see the reverential treatment the old warhorses are receiving for their long term hard graft.


It's unfortunately losing test matches and making what should be comfortable wins into nail biters but it's early in the world cup cycle so perhaps it's a sacrifice worth making.


However if this was F1 then Sam Cane would be Riccardo and Ardie would be heading into Perez territory so the loose forwards desperately need revitalisation through a rebuild over the next season to complement the formidable tight five.

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