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‘Understanding why’: Pumas moving on ‘quickly’ from England defeat

Pablo Matera of Argentina reacts during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between England and Argentina at Stade Velodrome on September 09, 2023 in Marseille, France. (Photo by Franco Arland/Quality Sport Images/Getty Images)

Argentina have turned their focus to “three very, very important games” at the Rugby World Cup after losing their tournament opener 27-10 to a 14-man England on Saturday.

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Backrower Tom Curry was sent to the sin bin inside the opening few minutes, and that incident was upgraded to a red card offence shortly after. England had their backs up against the wall.

Wins have proved hard to come by for Steve Borthwick’s team this year, but this incident seemed to galvanise the English on the sport’s biggest stage in Marseille.

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Los Pumas were able to split possession 50-50 with their opponents and also finished with a slight advantage in the territory battle with 53 per cent.

But a depleted England outfit won on the scoreboard, and that’s the stat that counts.

England are riding high after a statement performance, but the same can’t be said for Los Pumas. Argentina may need to win all three of their Pool D matches against Samoa, Chile and Japan if they’re to qualify for the quarter-finals in France.

“At this time the focus was on the best way to analyse the match technically,” Argentina forwards coach Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe said.

“It was the first game in a World Cup in which nothing could be defined, in which the team’s great preparation could not be shown. Solutions could not be found at the time.

Points Flow Chart

England win +17
Time in lead
55
Mins in lead
5
69%
% Of Game In Lead
6%
34%
Possession Last 10 min
66%
3
Points Last 10 min
7

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“We have to quickly analyse our game as there are three very, very important games left.”

With former coach Eddie Jones at the helm, England were bested by their Argentine rivals on an unforgettable day at Twickenham last November.

England played another three Tests under Jones before replacing the rugby guru with Steve Borthwick, but things haven’t exactly gone to plan.

In the Borthwick era, England had only managed to win 3 from 9 Tests ahead of the Rugby World Cup. That’s what makes the win over Argentina, against all odds, so staggering.

As for Los Pumas, they were a fan-favourite pick to make it out of the group – some even tipped them to top their pool. Argentina recently beat Australia in Sydney and ran world champion South Africa close two months ago.

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But one result, be that a win or a loss, can’t define a campaign. Following the defeat to England, Fernandez Lobbe insisted that Los Pumas are still “a solid team.”

“The team had been inspiring other things. If one thinks that in two years we showed confidence and lost it by one game, then it would not be a solid team. It is a solid team, with solid players,” Fernandez Lobbe added.

“Now, it is understanding why the image that the team gave was one of a lack of confidence. There are three games left to build the dream that this team is chasing. It is not hiding or putting aside errors. This is a team that sticks together and looks for solutions.”

Argentina will return to Rugby World Cup action in just under two weeks’ time when they take on Samoa in Saint-Etienne, and later Chile and Japan to conclude pool play.

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TCO 434 days ago

Very disappointing to see how coaches deposit all the blame on the players. He is not the coach? He didn’t talk to the players during half time? He didn’t tell the players how to adapt game plan to the new circumstances?

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NB 27 minutes ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Nice bit if revisioniusm but that's all it is JW.


For your further education, I found the following breakdown of one prominent club's finances in the Top 14 [Clermont].


For Clermont (budget of €29.5 million for 2021-2022) :

- 20% from ticket sales

- 17% from the LNR (includes TV Rights, compensation from producing french internationals and other minor stuff)

- 5% from public collectivities (so you're looking at funds from the city of Clermont, the department of Puy-De-Dôme and the region Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes)

- 4% from merchandising and events

- 3% from miscellaneous

- 51 % from sponsorships and partnerships. They've got 550 different partners. The main ones are CGI, Groupama, Limagrain/Jacquet, Omerin, Paprec, Renault and of course Michelin (not surprising since they're actually the founders of the club).


As you can see nothing comes from the FFR at all. The LNR is a separate entitiy to FFR and their aims frequently do not accord.


It is also why the European breakaway plotted by LNR and PR back in 2013 had nothing to do with the governing bodies of either England or France - and it most certainly did not have their blessing https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/15331030/jean-pierre-lux-anglo-french-cup-detrimental-european-rugby


And from the horse's mouth [ex AB skipper Sean Fitapatrick] about the comp between Top 14 and Super Rugby:


"The Top 14 in France is probably the best rugby competition in the world at the moment, purely for the week-in, week-out.”


“I think the quality of players. They are bigger, they are faster, they are stronger. Which then carries on into the international game.”

Take it from someone who knows JW😅

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