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'All our energy is going into being the best version of Leicester Tigers'

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It’s tough enough to build a new team from scratch at any level, but when that team will be competing in Premiership Women’s Rugby against established clubs stacked with some of the best players in the world, it doesn’t leave much of a margin for error.

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For Vicky Macqueen, all this sits alongside representing one of the biggest names in domestic rugby as she prepares for Leicester Tigers Women to make their debut against elite competition.

“We’re super excited, not just me, that’s the whole team, the players and the team behind the team, everyone is just really excited about kicking off the new Premiership campaign. I’d say it’s been a long time coming, but I suppose in a lot of ways it hasn’t. We’ve had to race through a lot in a short period of time.

“Now though, we just want to get on the grass and show what we can do, develop these young players that we’ve brought in to add value and talent to the squad and continue to develop the players that we had already. They’re on a massive trajectory of improvement all the time.”

Those players who were already in place come from the side that Tigers assimilated from Lichfield and who were one of the form sides in last season’s Championship 1. That side gives Macqueen a bedrock to build on, something that she sees as a definite advantage for her team.

“For me, it was all about embedding,” she said. “This has got to be sustainable over the long term, developing the game on a wider scale, from grassroots to elite sport. For me, you can’t do one without the other.

“We’re really proud of what we’ve managed to implement to support Lichfield. They’ve done a lot of their own back as well, but we’ve absolutely been there supporting them to make sure that we’ve got two full squads at Lichfield.

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“When we took that Championship place as Leicester Tigers, we knew we had a responsibility to Lichfield to make sure that we kicked on, and we’ve managed to do that. They’ve got 60-plus players turning up to training regularly, which is incredible for a Champ 1 team.

“We’ve made sure we’ve, we’ve spread our love to Lichfield, and they’ve reciprocated that with supporting us as well.

“From there it was just about picking out the players that really want to kick onto that elite pathway. How can we do that? How can we make them better?

“What we’re very much invested in now is the infrastructure of the coaching network, making sure that we’ve got absolutely everything that a player would want to develop. My job is to ensure that every player that comes into our club makes improvements and gets to reach their potential and we’ve done that by facilitating a great team.”

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At the time we spoke, that team had just come together for the first time in training and Macqueen’s excitement at getting them all in one place was tangible. “We had our first training session yesterday and to see the wider team all in the room at once, I actually got a bit emotional. It’s been a long time coming but we’re finally here.

“We’ve got the squad in front of us, we’ve got the playing group, the staff around the edges, and yeah, we’re ready to go now. We’ve always said, right the way through our recruitment, that we want good players, but good people as well. I think that’s been vital and it’s the same with the staff.

“So, Tom Hudson, the new head coach, has come in full of life. He’s really ambitious, he’s full of energy, I love it! We’ve got Luke Stratford as well, who’s come in the same way, Kingsley our analysis guy too they’re a bit of a squad already in within our wider squad, which is great.

“And then we’ve got our new medical team and S&C team, Jasmine, our team manager has running around a lot and pulling everybody together, bless her. Then we’ve also got a mindset coach as well, Cath Ruskin.

“She’s done a lot of hard work early on with the girls, they will get a slot with her, have a chat, what are their goals, aspirations? Have they got any limiting beliefs, let’s get them back on with that…. trying to eradicate those as much as we can and just make them the raw athlete they need to be.”

Alongside the foundation of players from last season’s Championship squad, Tigers have also tempted some well-known faces from the women’s game. With the likes of Elis Martin, Amanda Swartz, Catha Jacobs and Alana Bainbridge bringing in a wealth of Premier 15s experience and some international nous too.

They’ve also made a couple of box office moves, securing playmaker Meg Jones who has been the lynchpin for GB 7s in recent years alongside Red Roses powerhouse Amy Cokayne. “I’ve coached against Meg a few times, I think I even played against her at one point. She’s a real mentor and she’ll have a huge influence on the squad.

“Our young hookers will have Amy to learn from and to grow. We just want to get that synergy. In the gym last night you could see Cokayne being a role model and the other girls rising to try and match her.”

There’s one player in their squad who might not have the plaudits or caps of those named above, in fact she didn’t play at the top level last season, choosing to sign onto Tigers’ project early and join them in the Championship.

Lucy Nye might not be a big name, but for those who have watched women’s rugby over the past few years, she’s been a model of consistency for Wasps Women and has excelled for the Royal Air Force in inter-service games too.

“Let’s talk about Lucy Nye, she should be talked about a lot more! She’s such a good egg, she just gets on with the job and sits under the radar but I’m really excited for Lucy’s potential. It’s funny to use that word when she’s been around for a while, but I still think she’s got a lot to give.

“I think she’s in agreement that she’s never had the opportunity to be completely focused on herself and her rugby career because she’s always been working. She’s working towards being able to be freed up a little bit more by the RAF to go a little bit closer to full-time into rugby.

“So watch this space with her. She’s the pinnacle of athleticism anyway and I think the more time she’s got to spend on the game… We’ll see some really great things from Lucy this year!”

With the squad assembled, training underway, and the schedule now confirmed, all that remains is to kick on and play some rugby.

Macqueen is clear on her targets for her team and what success looks like. “We’ve got a clear vision on where we want to be,” she said.

“We will be the driving force of women’s rugby, and it’s just down to us when that’s going to happen. We’ve already sold 5,000 season tickets for our games, and we think we’ll be great value for everyone who comes along to Mattioli Woods Welford Road.

“We want to go out there and win everything we can, so of course we want to aim for the top, I wouldn’t be me if I didn’t say we want to win. Realistically, we want to make sure we are in the mix. We don’t want to be going into the league and just making up the numbers, we absolutely want to compete.

“We don’t want to coast in on being a big name: this is a long-term project, a programme that is getting better every day but one that is still only going into its second year of existence. We believe we have set strong foundations to build from and we can’t wait to get started.

“All our energy is going into being the best version of Leicester Tigers we can be. We’re aiming for that pinnacle, and we know we’ll get there. It’s just how our timings go and how quickly we make that happen!”

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fl 18 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen."


That's not quite my idea.

For a 20 team champions cup I'd have 4 teams qualify from the previous years champions cup, and 4 from the previous years challenge cup. For a 16 team champions cup I'd have 3 teams qualify from the previous years champions cup, and 1 from the previous years challenge cup.


"The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime."

If teams get a tough draw in the challenge cup quarters, they should have won more pool games and so got better seeding. My system is less about finding the best teams, and more about finding the teams who perform at the highest level in european competition.

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fl 55 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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JW 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Generally disagree with what? The possibility that they would get whitewashed, or the idea they shouldn't gain access until they're good enough?


I think the first is a fairly irrelevant view, decide on the second and then worry about the first. Personally I'd have had them in a third lvl comp with all the bottom dwellers of the leagues. I liked the idea of those league clubs resting their best players, and so being able to lift their standards in the league, though, so not against the idea that T2 sides go straight into Challenge Cup, but that will be a higher level with smaller comps and I think a bit too much for them (not having followed any of their games/performances mind you).

Because I don't think that having the possibility of a team finishing outside the quarter finals to qualify automatically will be a good idea. I'd rather have a team finishing 5th in their domestic league.

fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen.


The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime.

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JW 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Well I was mainly referring to my thinking about the split, which was essentially each /3 rounded up, but reliant on WCs to add buffer.


You may have been going for just a 16 team league ranking cup?


But yes, those were just ideas for how to select WCs, all very arbitrary but I think more interesting in ways than just going down a list (say like fl's) of who is next in line. Indeed in my reply to you I hinted at say the 'URC' WC spot actually being given to the Ireland pool and taken away from the Welsh pool.


It's easy to think that is excluding, and making it even harder on, a poor performing country, but this is all in context of a 18 or 20 team comp where URC (at least to those teams in the URC) got 6 places, which Wales has one side lingering around, and you'd expect should make. Imagine the spice in that 6N game with Italy, or any other of the URC members though! Everyone talks about SA joining the 6N, so not sure it will be a problem, but it would be a fairly minor one imo.


But that's a structure of the leagues were instead of thinking how to get in at the top, I started from the bottom and thought that it best those teams doing qualify for anything. Then I thought the two comps should be identical in structure. So that's were an even split comes in with creating numbers, and the 'UEFA' model you suggest using in some manner, I thought could be used for the WC's (5 in my 20 team comp) instead of those ideas of mine you pointed out.


I see Jones has waded in like his normal self when it comes to SH teams. One thing I really like about his idea is the name change to the two competitions, to Cup and Shield. Oh, and home and away matches.

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