"Listen, it was a jolly' - Neil de Kock on Sarries trips to the Bahamas

Oh wait, discarded kiwi coaches in Australia have been exactly the same ever since .....

Stockholm Syndrome much ?

Which meant if Razor was to gain any benefit, which is the point of this discussion, he'd have needed to find value in players like Tupaea, Christie, Sotutu, Clarke, Lord, RTS, Bower, Ross, that hadn't immediately gone on to prove they belong.

Of course it was too long ago for a lot of those players to be of benefit to Razor.

They have it right atm with the quality of Joe's coaching and a bloke who clearly cares about infrastructure [Peter Horne] working alongside him.

But for John, one is a Kiwi and the other a Tah, and all thinking process stops right there.

It's a huge shame but it disables Aussie rugby as a whole if too many ppl share the same attitude.

Soccer has made inroads of its own accord, aided and abetted by the Union sitting on its hands with the grass roots/clubs and making a pig's easr of regionalisation back in 2002-03. Any Welshman can tell you that.

It is also callous in my opinion for Joe Schmidt to see undermining Australian rugby as more important than his son's welfare, despite having promised his son and his wife after his indulgent Ireland coaching gig, that he would spend more time with them and pulling his weight at home.

Oh dear. If that's what you really think, I feel sorry for you. Joe has improved the WBs out of sight and he only picked a minority of Tahs to do it. You do not know nearly enough about his family situation to be able to comment on it.