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'Wake up': Kiwi scribe's message to New Zealand fans over turnout

Ardie Savea of the Hurricanes leads his team off the field after warming up during the round 10 Super Rugby Pacific match between Hurricanes and ACT Brumbies at Sky Stadium, on April 28, 2023, in Wellington, New Zealand. (Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)

A New Zealand rugby writer has called for the fans to take accountability for the low turnout between two of Super Rugby’s top two sides.

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Whilst a sold out crowd in Hamilton created an electric atmosphere for the Chiefs Crusaders derby on Saturday night, the Hurricanes and the Brumbies crowd was disappointing despite the fact the two sides are second and third on the ladder.

New Zealand fans tend to prefer the Kiwi derbies which isn’t showing enough respect to the top Australian sides argued Jamie Wall.

“I think that a bit of that has to go on fans themselves, just not being able to make up their own mind or just simply not being interested enough in this competition,” Wall told SENZ The Saturday Session.

“That’s a good Brumbies team, there’s some really good players in there that are worth paying money to watch and they almost knocked off a (strong) Hurricanes side.

“There’s only so much marketing a Super Rugby team can do because they just don’t have any money for a start.

“I think the rugby community just needs to actually just kind of open their eyes a bit, stop buying into the fact that the only games worth watching involve the Crusaders or the Chiefs or whatever and just actually … wake up to the fact that at least the Brumbies are worth watching.”

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The Brumbies knocked off the highly fancied Blues during round two in Melbourne’s Super round and sent a second string side to Christchurch in the loss to the Crusaders.

Before Friday night’s clash they were 6-1 on the season, and were well in the fixture against the Hurricanes until a late try to Aidan Morgan sealed the game.

Wellington’s weather can often turn the punters away but Friday night was a rare still night in the nation’s blustery capital.

The Hurricanes were also celebrating the 150th appearance of hometown hero Julian Savea to add to the occasion.

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Wall believed that the glass has to be broken on the belief that Kiwi derbies are superior to Trans-Tasman clashes.

“I just think that there’s a narrative running through the media at the moment that if it doesn’t involve one of the top New Zealand sides then it’s not worth watching,” he added.

“That’s not fair, I don’t buy into that at all.

“Super Rugby is really up against it as a competition, a lot of it is its own fault but a lot more of it is kind of out of their control.

“A lot of the bad press that we’re getting about it is just because of the interference that the All Blacks have on the competition.”

 

“If you look at their record this year, they’d only lost one game going into last night and the games that they had played were actually really interesting.

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Max 624 days ago

I won’t go back to the Canes. My beloved home team. The barrage of tasteless music at every 10 second break in play is offensive and boorish. If Ardie went down injured, they’d blast away any concern or tension with music. His injury seems to be reclassified as an interruption to the “entertainment “ Disrespectful to the players. The passion and connection is lost in decibels of harsh rubbish. You can’t even have a conversation with the person beside you so inter-fan engagement is also lost. REAL fans have voted with their feet from live games.

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Chris 624 days ago

What fans? Super rugby has been killed off slowly in the last 20 years. Look at the TV numbers.
Ilwe soled our soul to the overseas TV market, which meant kids have not grown up watching rugby NZ. Those kids are now adults not watching rugby

One day game a few weeks ago and look at all the families and the crowd numbers

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Jackson 625 days ago

Agree afternoons is Rugby time. Sky putting up connection price to $104.++ makes radio the only choice for me living in the “ non games” venue area. Music & rules are killing the games. Refs are too reliant on the Tmo these days & wont make a call! Fiji was good example of “rubbish noise “wishing someone would push that B bugle down the operators throat. As well as the NZRU cock up with selection drama (another Robbie Deans era coming up) I’m just as happy surfing these days

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Gerald 625 days ago

Super Rugger is becoming isolated, and boring. Never thought I would say this but watching NZ sides dominate games without real competition playing copy paste pattern of play is killing their game. Saffa sides got so lucky to be kicked out and playing in a real tourno with proper crowds and feel.

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David 625 days ago

well tell him to wake up look at the ticket prices and what you get for them and rermember you need to have headphones and a radio to know what is happening. and then you get silly music for the price of a game with food and drinkand transporrtt its cheaperto get a six pack pizza and sky at home

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Jayden 625 days ago

Cake tin simply to exspensive for beers and food ..drove down from hawks bay for hurricanes chiefs game ...will never go back

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K 625 days ago

Attending games at the Cake tin/ Sky stadium is too damn expensive and always has been. 30 bux for a stadium seat for an adult is fine but when you're a family of 4 and a rugby match is almost 100 bux for an hour and a half of "entertainment" (which, let's be fair- is only an hour of rugby without all the stops and starts) the value doesn't seem that good when we could watch all the matches of the evening/season from the comfort of home for the monthly price of a sky sport subscription which costs the same as an adult ticket.
Rugby is the every man sport in NZ but unless you're flush with cash it's pretty hard to regularly support your SR team when it costs so much to partake in the fun

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Dunnos 625 days ago

I might be one of the rare few who still actively and enjoy Super Rugby but it’s not without it’s problems. I do miss the SA sides, their different style and the challenge NZ sides had to travel and play there. Argentina brought passion and unpredictability which was great. Aussie sides used to be stacked with great players. Latham, Gregan, Burke, Larkam, Roff, Smith. Geez even I used to watch Aussie games to see their quality. Are they losing too many good players overseas with their Wallabies rule? Rules have changed though. It’s frustrating to me a team 5-10 metres out that an attacking team is pretty much guaranteed an advantage/penalty so what’s the point of defending if it’s almost certain a try will come.

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Mark 625 days ago

Some these comments are true refs rules ruining game.... also the shear cost of going to a game getting a beer hotdogs and chips astronomical...new kiwi culture of only following winning teams could be a factor....

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Maxwell 625 days ago

The game last week was (comparatively) packed. Maybe mid day / afternoon games are the way forward?

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JW 5 hours ago
How law changes are speeding up the game - but the scrum lags behind

so what's the point?

A deep question!


First, the point would be you wouldn't have a share of those penalities if you didn't choose good scrummers right.


So having incentive to scrummaging well gives more space in the field through having less mobile players.


This balance is what we always strive to come back to being the focus of any law change right.


So to bring that back to some of the points in this article, if changing the current 'offense' structure of scrums, to say not penalizing a team that's doing their utmost to hold up the scrum (allowing play to continue even if they did finally succumb to collapsing or w/e for example), how are we going to stop that from creating a situation were a coach can prioritize the open play abilities of their tight five, sacrificing pure scrummaging, because they won't be overly punished by having a weak scrum?


But to get back on topic, yes, that balance is too skewed, the prevalence has been too much/frequent.


At the highest level, with the best referees and most capable props, it can play out appealingly well. As you go down the levels, the coaching of tactics seems to remain high, but the ability of the players to adapt and hold their scrum up against that guy boring, or the skill of the ref in determining what the cause was and which of those two to penalize, quickly degrades the quality of the contest and spectacle imo (thank good european rugby left that phase behind!)


Personally I have some very drastic changes in mind for the game that easily remedy this prpblem (as they do for all circumstances), but the scope of them is too great to bring into this context (some I have brought in were applicable), and without them I can only resolve to come up with lots of 'finicky' like those here. It is easy to understand why there is reluctance in their uptake.


I also think it is very folly of WR to try and create this 'perfect' picture of simple laws that can be used to cover all aspects of the game, like 'a game to be played on your feet' etc, and not accept it needs lots of little unique laws like these. I'd be really happy to create some arbitrary advantage for the scrum victors (similar angle to yours), like if you can make your scrum go forward, that resets the offside line from being the ball to the back foot etc, so as to create a way where your scrum wins a foot be "5 meters back" from the scrum becomes 7, or not being able to advance forward past the offisde line (attack gets a free run at you somehow, or devide the field into segments and require certain numbers to remain in the other sgements (like the 30m circle/fielders behind square requirements in cricket). If you're defending and you go forward then not just is your 9 still allowed to harras the opposition but the backline can move up from the 5m line to the scrum line or something.


Make it a real mini game, take your solutions and making them all circumstantial. Having differences between quick ball or ball held in longer, being able to go forward, or being pushed backwards, even to where the scrum stops and the ref puts his arm out in your favour. Think of like a quick tap scenario, but where theres no tap. If the defending team collapses the scrum in honest attempt (even allow the attacking side to collapse it after gong forward) the ball can be picked up (by say the eight) who can run forward without being allowed to be tackled until he's past the back of the scrum for example. It's like a little mini picture of where the defence is scrambling back onside after a quick tap was taken.


The purpose/intent (of any such gimmick) is that it's going to be so much harder to stop his momentum, and subsequent tempo, that it's a really good advantage for having such a powerful scrum. No change of play to a lineout or blowing of the whistle needed.

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