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'Wake up': Kiwi scribe's message to New Zealand fans over turnout

Ardie Savea of the Hurricanes leads his team off the field after warming up during the round 10 Super Rugby Pacific match between Hurricanes and ACT Brumbies at Sky Stadium, on April 28, 2023, in Wellington, New Zealand. (Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)

A New Zealand rugby writer has called for the fans to take accountability for the low turnout between two of Super Rugby’s top two sides.

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Whilst a sold out crowd in Hamilton created an electric atmosphere for the Chiefs Crusaders derby on Saturday night, the Hurricanes and the Brumbies crowd was disappointing despite the fact the two sides are second and third on the ladder.

New Zealand fans tend to prefer the Kiwi derbies which isn’t showing enough respect to the top Australian sides argued Jamie Wall.

“I think that a bit of that has to go on fans themselves, just not being able to make up their own mind or just simply not being interested enough in this competition,” Wall told SENZ The Saturday Session.

“That’s a good Brumbies team, there’s some really good players in there that are worth paying money to watch and they almost knocked off a (strong) Hurricanes side.

“There’s only so much marketing a Super Rugby team can do because they just don’t have any money for a start.

“I think the rugby community just needs to actually just kind of open their eyes a bit, stop buying into the fact that the only games worth watching involve the Crusaders or the Chiefs or whatever and just actually … wake up to the fact that at least the Brumbies are worth watching.”

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The Brumbies knocked off the highly fancied Blues during round two in Melbourne’s Super round and sent a second string side to Christchurch in the loss to the Crusaders.

Before Friday night’s clash they were 6-1 on the season, and were well in the fixture against the Hurricanes until a late try to Aidan Morgan sealed the game.

Wellington’s weather can often turn the punters away but Friday night was a rare still night in the nation’s blustery capital.

The Hurricanes were also celebrating the 150th appearance of hometown hero Julian Savea to add to the occasion.

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Wall believed that the glass has to be broken on the belief that Kiwi derbies are superior to Trans-Tasman clashes.

“I just think that there’s a narrative running through the media at the moment that if it doesn’t involve one of the top New Zealand sides then it’s not worth watching,” he added.

“That’s not fair, I don’t buy into that at all.

“Super Rugby is really up against it as a competition, a lot of it is its own fault but a lot more of it is kind of out of their control.

“A lot of the bad press that we’re getting about it is just because of the interference that the All Blacks have on the competition.”

 

“If you look at their record this year, they’d only lost one game going into last night and the games that they had played were actually really interesting.

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Max 572 days ago

I won’t go back to the Canes. My beloved home team. The barrage of tasteless music at every 10 second break in play is offensive and boorish. If Ardie went down injured, they’d blast away any concern or tension with music. His injury seems to be reclassified as an interruption to the “entertainment “ Disrespectful to the players. The passion and connection is lost in decibels of harsh rubbish. You can’t even have a conversation with the person beside you so inter-fan engagement is also lost. REAL fans have voted with their feet from live games.

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Chris 572 days ago

What fans? Super rugby has been killed off slowly in the last 20 years. Look at the TV numbers.
Ilwe soled our soul to the overseas TV market, which meant kids have not grown up watching rugby NZ. Those kids are now adults not watching rugby

One day game a few weeks ago and look at all the families and the crowd numbers

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Jackson 573 days ago

Agree afternoons is Rugby time. Sky putting up connection price to $104.++ makes radio the only choice for me living in the “ non games” venue area. Music & rules are killing the games. Refs are too reliant on the Tmo these days & wont make a call! Fiji was good example of “rubbish noise “wishing someone would push that B bugle down the operators throat. As well as the NZRU cock up with selection drama (another Robbie Deans era coming up) I’m just as happy surfing these days

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Gerald 573 days ago

Super Rugger is becoming isolated, and boring. Never thought I would say this but watching NZ sides dominate games without real competition playing copy paste pattern of play is killing their game. Saffa sides got so lucky to be kicked out and playing in a real tourno with proper crowds and feel.

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David 573 days ago

well tell him to wake up look at the ticket prices and what you get for them and rermember you need to have headphones and a radio to know what is happening. and then you get silly music for the price of a game with food and drinkand transporrtt its cheaperto get a six pack pizza and sky at home

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Jayden 573 days ago

Cake tin simply to exspensive for beers and food ..drove down from hawks bay for hurricanes chiefs game ...will never go back

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K 573 days ago

Attending games at the Cake tin/ Sky stadium is too damn expensive and always has been. 30 bux for a stadium seat for an adult is fine but when you're a family of 4 and a rugby match is almost 100 bux for an hour and a half of "entertainment" (which, let's be fair- is only an hour of rugby without all the stops and starts) the value doesn't seem that good when we could watch all the matches of the evening/season from the comfort of home for the monthly price of a sky sport subscription which costs the same as an adult ticket.
Rugby is the every man sport in NZ but unless you're flush with cash it's pretty hard to regularly support your SR team when it costs so much to partake in the fun

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Dunnos 573 days ago

I might be one of the rare few who still actively and enjoy Super Rugby but it’s not without it’s problems. I do miss the SA sides, their different style and the challenge NZ sides had to travel and play there. Argentina brought passion and unpredictability which was great. Aussie sides used to be stacked with great players. Latham, Gregan, Burke, Larkam, Roff, Smith. Geez even I used to watch Aussie games to see their quality. Are they losing too many good players overseas with their Wallabies rule? Rules have changed though. It’s frustrating to me a team 5-10 metres out that an attacking team is pretty much guaranteed an advantage/penalty so what’s the point of defending if it’s almost certain a try will come.

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Mark 573 days ago

Some these comments are true refs rules ruining game.... also the shear cost of going to a game getting a beer hotdogs and chips astronomical...new kiwi culture of only following winning teams could be a factor....

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Maxwell 573 days ago

The game last week was (comparatively) packed. Maybe mid day / afternoon games are the way forward?

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Hellhound 47 minutes ago
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There is this thing going around against Siya Kolisi where they don't want him to be known as the best national captain ever, so they strike him down in ratings permanently whenever they can. They want McCaw and reckons he is the best captain ever. I disagree.


Just like they refuse to see SA as the best team and some have even said that should the Boks win a third WC in a row, they will still not be the best team ever. Even if they win every game between now and the WC. That is some serious hate coming SA's way.


Everyone forget how the McCaw AB's intimidated refs, was always on the wrong side, played on the ground etc. Things they would never have gotten away with today. They may have a better win ratio, but SA build depth, not caring about rank inbetween WC's until this year.


They weren't as bad inbetween as people claim, because non e of their losses was big ones and they almost never faced the strongest Bok team outside of the WC, allowing countries like France and Ireland to rise to the top unopposed.


Rassie is still at it, building more depth, getting more young stars into the fold. By the time he leaves (I hope never) he will leave a very strong Bok side for the next 15- 20 years. Not everyone will play for 20 years, but each year Rassie acknowledge the young stars and get them involved and ready for international rugby.


Not everyone will make it to the WC, but those 51/52 players will compete for those spots for the WC. They will deliver their best. The future of the Boks is in very safe hands. The only thing that bothers me is Rassie's health. If he can overcome it, rugby looks dark for the rest of the rugby world. He is already the greatest coach in WR history. By the time he retires, he will be the biggest legend any sport has ever seen

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JW 1 hour ago
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No where to be seen OB!


The crosses for me for the year where (from memory);


This was a really hard one to nail down as the first sign of a problem, now that I've asked myself to think about it. I'd say it all started with his decision to not back form and fit players after all the injuries, and/or him picking players for the future, rather ones that could play right now.


First he doesn't replace Perofeta straight away (goes on for months in the team) after injury against England, second he falls back to Beauden Barrett to cover at fullback against Fiji, then he drops Narawa the obvious choice to have started, then he brings in Jordan too soon. That Barret selection (and to a lesser extent Bell's) set the tone for the year.


Then he didn't get the side up for Argentina. They were blown away and didn't look like they expected a fight and were well beaten despite the scoreline in my opinion. Worst performance of the year in the forth game and..


Basically the same problems were persistent, or even exaggerated, after that with the players he did select not given much of an opportunity, with this year having the most number of unused subs I can remember since the amateur days.


What I think I started to realise early on was that he didn't back himself and his team. I think he prepared the players well, don't get me wrong, but I'll credit him with making a conscious choice in tempering his ambition and instead choosing cohesion and to respect (the idea of it being important in himself and his players) experience first and foremost (after two tight games and that 4th game loss). I think he chose wrong in deciding not to be, and back, himself. Hard criticism.


And it played out by preferring Beauden to Dmac on the EOYT (though that may have been a planned move).


I hope I'm right, because going through all the little things of the season and coming up with these bullets, I've got to wonder when I say his last fault is one we have seen at the Crusaders, playing his best players into the ground. What I'm really scared of now is that not wanting a bit of freshness in this last game could be linked with all these other crosses that I want to put down to simple confidence issues. But are they really a sign that he just lacks vision?


Now, that's not to say I haven't seen a lot of positives as well, I just think that for the ABs to go where they want to go he has to fix these crosses. Just have difficult that will be is the question.

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