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Wales players 'all in this together’ as Warren Gatland speculation grows

By PA
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Wales number eight Aaron Wainwright says “we are all in this together” as speculation rages about head coach Warren Gatland’s future following a record 11 successive Test match defeats.

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Wainwright admitted he understood the reaction of many fans who made an early Principality Stadium exit as Wales lost 52-20 against Autumn Nations Series opponents Australia on Sunday.

Gatland could still be in charge for Saturday’s daunting appointment with world champions South Africa, but whether he remains there for a Six Nations campaign that begins against France in Paris 10 weeks later appears increasingly uncertain.

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Speaking after the Wallabies’ biggest win against Wales for 28 years, Gatland said he had already had conversations with Welsh Rugby Union executive director of rugby Nigel Walker and chair Richard Collier-Keywood and was comfortable with “whatever the best decision for Welsh rugby is”.

There had been an air of finality that pervaded his post-match press conference, mixed with an occasional defiant note.

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2
Penalty Goals
0
2
Tries
8
2
Conversions
6
0
Drop Goals
0
117
Carries
165
3
Line Breaks
9
13
Turnovers Lost
9
1
Turnovers Won
7

He has overseen just six wins from 23 Tests during his second stint as head coach, while Wales have dropped outside the world’s top 10-ranked countries and last tasted Test match success during the 2023 World Cup.

More than 20 players have been capped by Gatland in his attempt to mould a new squad, but results-wise Wales are at the lowest point in their 143-year international rugby history.

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“We are all in this together,” Wainwright said. “The players are out there on the pitch, so we have to step up and do our thing.

“It is a collective effort. All of us need to reflect on how we performed in our own roles and see what we can improve on.

“We have got a couple of good senior figures in the group that keep relaying the message that we need to keep believing in ourselves and on our day we can go out there and beat any team.”

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The latter stages of Australia’s second-half stroll were played out before hundreds of empty seats, and Wainwright added: “If I put myself in that position and I was a fan and my team had been on a losing streak, I would be a little bit disappointed and upset.

“For us as players we need to really put our mark down going into next weekend.

“We’ve got ourselves into this, so we are the ones that are going to have to get ourselves out of it, and I think when we do that we will reap the rewards and hopefully the fans will still be there cheering us on.

“We want to go out there and win and perform and give the fans something to get excited about, to get Welsh rugby back in a positive light and get out of this hole we are in.”

In terms of Gatland, there are mitigating factors, with a number of front-line players – star names such as Alun Wyn Jones, George North and Dan Biggar – retiring from Test rugby during the last 18 months, while Louis Rees-Zammit went to the NFL and influential number eight Taulupe Faletau has been a long-term injury absentee.

But there can be no hiding place from results – home defeats against Italy and Fiji and more than 30 points conceded against Australia (twice), South Africa, France and Ireland.

Wales’ four professional regions, meanwhile, cannot make any consistent impact, with none of them having qualified for this season’s Champions Cup, and they currently occupy two of the bottom three United Rugby Championship places.

Asked how difficult it would be to bounce back against South Africa – the Springboks have beaten Wales six times from the last seven meetings – Gatland said: “When you are involved in professional sport, those are the challenges that define you as an individual.

“When you get out in that arena, you have got a lot of people looking at you. It’s how you front up to the challenge.”

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JW 40 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about the worst teams not giving up because they are so far off the pace we get really bad scoreline when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together.


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 4 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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