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Wallabies' nemesis declares 'world rugby needs Australia'

Australia's Harry Wilson is stopped in his tracks by England's Tommy Freeman at Allianz Stadium, Twickenham.

England’s most-capped men’s player Ben Youngs has had some epic battles with Australia over a Test career spanning 127 caps, and recently copped plenty of banter for his pre-Autumn Nations Series prediction that the Wallabies would lose last weekend’s Ella-Mobbs Trophy match at Allianz Stadium.

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But the former scrum-half recognises that last Saturday’s epic, smash-and-grab 42-37 victory over England, whilst galling to see as a proud Englishman, was good for rugby as a whole.

Chatting with Rugby World Cup 2007-winning captain John Smit and former Springbok Hanyani Shimange as his podcast For The Love Of Rugby linked up with RPTV’s Boks Office for a special episode in London, Youngs said: “We need Australia to be good, world rugby needs Australia to be good. It’s all tongue-in-cheek but let’s not beat around the bush, we need Australia to have a really strong rugby union team.

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    “The benefit of that is huge for the global game. Of course they have got the Lions hosting but also the World Cup is around the corner so everyone benefits from a really strong Australian team. So, actually, I am happy to eat some humble pie, I can cop it. It’s good for the game, I truly mean that.”

    Debutant Joseph Suaalii’ played a huge hand in Australia’s first win in south-west London over England since the Rugby World Cup 2015 pool match, one of the rare occasions when Youngs was on the losing side against the Wallabies.

    And Youngs thinks his cross-code move will have a  massive role to play in re-engaging Australian sports fans with the team that won two Rugby World Cups in the 1990s but has since fallen on hard times.

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    “I think it is important for Australia, that like Cheslin (Kolbe), they have box-office players, people that draw a crowd like Antoine Dupont with France,” said Youngs, for whom Australia was his most common opponent, except Wales, with 12 wins in 15 appearances.

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    “Them having him opens up the door. Australian rugby has to play fourth, fifth fiddle behind so many other sports, and someone like that will draw some attention. My gosh, he lived up to expectations, he was sensational.”

    From being in the depths of despair after a terrible Rugby Championship campaign, the mood in Australian rugby is so much more upbeat, with even talk that the current squad can emulate the 1984 Grand Slammers and return home with a clean sweep of victories against the Home Nations.

    Asked whether he thinks Australia will follow up their win over England with victories against Wales, Scotland and Ireland, Youngs said: “No. I don’t. They’ll beat Wales, they seem to be really struggling. But I think Scotland will beat them, so I think they will go home with two wins and two losses.

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    DC000 161 days ago

    Needs Australia - to prove why SH rugby isn't worth investing time or money in. As the supporters don't even care at this stage.

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    Bull Shark 161 days ago

    Australia has the athletes. Thats for damn sure.

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    GG 162 days ago

    The comment by Young’s is at best condescending. I cannot believe how patronizing and belittling the NH media and players often are to the SH sides and players. Crikey, they act as if they rule the skies in rugger. The only time all sides are equal, have all players available, and have decent time to prep is the WC. Would be interesting to take last 20 odd years and see which hemisphere sides make say the semi finals. Don’t be patronizing- Aussie are going through a tough period, but they will be back.

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    Tom 161 days ago

    What on earth are you on about man? How did you manage to turn this into some NH Vs SH argument? All Youngs is saying is Australia are going through a tough patch and he hopes they get back to the top because it's good for world rugby. I can't see any way in which that is patronising or condescending.

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    Flankly 1 hour ago
    How 'misunderstood' Rassie Erasmus is rolling back the clock

    Nick - thanks for another good piece.


    It’s remarkable that Matt Williams gets so upset about Bomb Squad tactics. He’s not just making recommendations, but getting all sweaty about bench splits. But it’s not really about bench splits. He just does not like forwards, and their role in the game.


    I thought this quote was telling:

    What about Kitshoff, what happened to his spine in South Africa? Do we know if that is as a result of the scrummaging they are put through?

    Ouch. So we are really on a program of reducing scrummaging to reduce spinal injuries? That’s the mission? And based on the statistically significant dataset of one case, a case in which he openly admits that he does not have the details. Regardless, if his goal is to reduce spinal injuries for prop forwards then arguing about bench splits seems like an odd place to start.


    It’s not just spinal injuries that he cares about. The risk of paralysis is an important issue, and he raises this too:

    I’m a bit of a lone voice but, because of my club-mate Grant Harper (ex-Western Suburbs prop who was paralysed after a collapsed scrum), I’m not shutting up on it.

    Injuries are horrible, and paralysis is truly awful. We should absolutely take it very seriously, and diligently implement whatever safety protocols and education programs we can to minimize these things. But we don’t ban skydiving or hang gliding, or crossing the road. Though Williams is not looking to ban rugby, he does seem to be intent on reducing the role of forwards in the game, based on entirely anecdotal data.


    It’s hard to tell what it’s all about. He makes this supposed safety case and says that no-one in his echo chamber disagrees with him:

    Every time I go out, old forwards and old props go up to me and they say, ‘you’re right’. I’ve never had anyone, apart from a few South Africans – because it’s good for South Africa – say it’s rubbish.

    It’s weird that “old props” are hanging around his front door and lobbying him, or maybe he just doesn’t “go out” much. Could it be that all of the hand-wringing about bench splits and scrummaging injuries is really a proxy for something else? Is it possible his issue is not about safety at all?


    Well, that is what it seems. For me the truth is in this comment:

    Can Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia and Argentina compete against South Africa, New Zealand and France if that’s the way the game goes? The answer to that is no.

    So, this is the real issue for him. The Bomb Squad tactic is a really good one, and you have to be really good to play against it. Or you should try to de-power it by banning it, wailing about injuries that it supposedly causes (it doesn’t) and clutching at anecdotal straws to make your case.


    The above quote is an insult to the five countries named, and it also suggests that no-one is going to be smart enough to come up with a game plan that neutralizes the bomb squad or turns it to a relative weakness. Williams is just a noisy fan looking to change the laws to favor his team and his personal tastes.


    I agree with your conclusions. This Rassie approach is far from being unfair to backs. Not only does it favor fleet-footed and versatile “skills players” in the double-digit positions, but each individual gets more game time in any given match.


    Whenever I go out I get exactly zero “old backs” coming up to me and complaining about the Bomb Squad tactic.


    Bravo, Rassie.

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