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'We were crap': England star looks back on 'journey' to World Cup bronze

Owen Farrell of England celebrates with teammates following the team's victory in the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Bronze Final match between Argentina and England at Stade de France on October 27, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

There are “plenty of things to be hopeful for in the future” for England according to loosehead Joe Marler after they finished third at the World Cup on Friday with a 26-23 win over Argentina in the bronze final.

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The 33-year-old, who is reported to be retiring at the end of the season, was not selected for the match against the Pumas, but was on the field after the match to collect his bronze medal where briefly spoke to ITV Rugby. 

The Harlequin looked back on the last five months with England and the journey they have taken to become a “new England”. His head coach Steve Borthwick has mentioned this World Cup that the England coaching team only came together in June, compared to other set-ups that have had four years together, and Marler alluded to that.

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England post-match presser – third-place play-off

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England post-match presser – third-place play-off

Looking back on that five month journey, which included only one win from four in their warm-ups and a first ever defeat to Fiji, Marler described the side as “crap”. But after only losing one match from seven at the World Cup – a narrow one point loss to then world champions South Africa – Marler feels the future is bright for England.

“I just want to say on behalf of the team, to all the fans that have supported us out here and back at home, it’s been phenomenal,” the 88-cap veteran said on the Stade de France pitch.

“It’s been a brilliant, brilliant journey to come five months ago where we were crap, to start building a new England. There’s plenty of things to be hopeful for in the future, so get behind the team moving forward.”

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Borthwick echoed these sentiments after the match as well, as he too looked back on the journey his side have made. The head coach is equally as buoyant about what lies ahead for England despite a spate of players moving on after the World Cup.

“This coaching team only came together in June and to knit together a programme super fast – I couldn’t be more proud but I hope the players have enjoyed it,” he said.

“I’m delighted for the players, who have worked so hard. We won six games out of seven and lost one game by one point to the world champions, which shows the progress of the team.

“I always believed we would be right [for the tournament]. Some challenging decisions were made – but we were clear that the World Cup isn’t played in August.

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“The age profile of the squad – there are always players who decide their time has come to an end at the World Cup – is strong. I think there’s excitement about those players. We know there are areas we are thinner than others and I need to work to find some depth in those positions.

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Jono 389 days ago

The only Englishman that should be reported about today has a golden whistle in hand at 9pm, keep this reporting for next week and keep the focus on the two teams deserved of the spotlight today.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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