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What the Wallabies have made of Joe Schmidt's reception in Ireland

Joe Schmidt at the Rugby World Cup

In Ireland, first, there was Saint Jack, and then there was Holy Joe.

After English soccer World Cup hero Jack Charlton had crossed the Irish Sea with his bluff, hearty, well-met approach – complete with fishing rod – to transform their national soccer team, a genial, seemingly gentler New Zealander materialised a few years later to do a similar makeover on their rugby outfit.

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Charming, attentive, happy to engage, always prepared to go the extra mile for the sport on the island, taking it into the community … no wonder Ireland fell for Joe Schmidt.

Over a decade, this delightful schoolteacher taught their rugby teams at provincial (Leinster) and national level how to win the Six Nations (three), grand slams (one) and European Cups (two), while also fashioning the first win in 111 years over the All Blacks and a maiden win in South Africa.

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He seemed to do it all with such a light touch, while also making the outskirts of Dublin his new home, that the blessed Joe really was made to feel like one of Ireland’s own.

So on his return, now guiding his Wallabies for Saturday’s Ireland-Australia Test, it’s been a bit of an eye-opener for his new charges to see just how beloved he is by the Irish public.

“Joe’s a superstar here. There’s a genuine love for the man in Ireland and it goes to show what sort of coach and what sort of person he his,” said prop James Slipper, marvelling at the warmth of the reception for the 59-year-old.

Schmidt’s old chief lieutenant on the field, Johnny Sexton, knew it was coming.

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“Being with Joe, walking around Dublin, in a coffee shop with him, every single person comes up and greets him warmly, says great things about him,” Ireland’s old perfect 10 told the BBC. “Anyone who has ever met the guy says the same.”

Even Andy Farrell, his old assistant who’s succeeded him for Ireland and will tackle him as Lions chief, gushed what a “privilege” it was to learn the coaching ropes from Schmidt.

“He should be celebrated for everything that he’s done to Irish rugby,” boomed the Englishman.

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The emotional stakes are being cranked up. Even Schmidt admitted on Thursday: “There’ll be apprehension, because I have that every week. I even have it before training! I try to be pretty transactional, pretty pragmatic on game day, but there’ll be some emotion in it for me …”

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He couldn’t help laughing on hearing how Sexton reckoned he had Schmidt’s voice ringing in his head, long after he left. “I feel sorry for him,” laughed Joe, doubtless secretly chuffed to bits.

Yet, of course, he’s really far too canny to fall for all this Irish flattery.

He talks about wanting to have left “a legacy” in Irish rugby, and nobody’s disputing he’s done just that.

Yet running alongside his return this week, there’s also been a revisited debate there about just what went wrong in the dying embers of his reign, when the men in green fell short, hammered in their second World Cup challenge under him by both Japan and the All Blacks in 2019.

The suggestions, which reared up after he’d departed, were that his players felt the enthusiasm had started to be sucked out of them with Schmidt’s obsessive attention to detail eventually grinding them down.

Then there was his sharp put-downs – hard to imagine from such a sweet talker in the media – striking fear into them whenever they made a mistake that the perfectionist couldn’t abide in training.

“He’s a pretty scary character … I didn’t react well to being belittled or feeling scared. It wasn’t a good thing for me. I didn’t enjoy that. I know a lot of other players didn’t as well. Some people thrive on that. But he wasn’t a warm character,” former lock Dan Tuohy has since recalled.

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Others echoed that idea with Brian O’Driscoll, maybe the greatest Ireland player of all, reflecting in the Off the Ball podcast this week how some squad members began to relax again and feel rejuvenated under Farrell.

“The slide just happened too much in ’19 and I don’t think it was a very happy environment at the very end,” said O’Driscoll, who has related how when, regarded as one of the best in the world, he once dropped the ball in training in Schmidt’s early days at Leinster, only to be ticked off: “The good ones don’t do that, Drico …”

While he embraced that sort of challenge, others just withered, but O’Driscoll is convinced Schmidt will only feed off any lingering idea that he blew it in his final days in Dublin.

“I’m sure (Schmidt) will store all of that, like anyone who has a point to prove does,” said O’Driscoll. “You’ve got to bring it up and try to channel it in a positive way. And he’s going to try to channel it this weekend with his new team.”

And for the moment, that new team just appear to adore him, with Tom Wright adamant on Thursday “he’s brought us really, really close together, particularly on this northern tour, we’ve seen a lot of fun in our time here. Absolutely the right man for the job.”

“Joe is definitely our man,” chipped in Slipper. “And I can confidently say most of the rugby public back home are very confident he is the man to take us forward.”

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MW 32 days ago

I don't think the Aussie players are as soft skinned as the Irish players who reportedly were intimidated by Joe. Water off a ducks back for these characters

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RedWarrior 34 days ago

Super coach. The best of NZ rugby. Proper modest and excellent. None of the "Humble Heroes" All Black BS.

Not sure he has any point to prove. Ireland were found out a little in 2019, these cycles happen. Best of luck to him.

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Cantab 33 days ago

Absolutely. He would have very likely ended up as NZ coach if Razor hadn't got the job. While Ireland should account for OZ it would not surprise if his coaching expertise causes an upset.

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JW 3 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

Of course not, but were not going to base our reasoning on what is said in one comment in a particular scenario and time, are we?


Actually, you are? Seriously?

Although Burke readily admits “I am driven by international rugby”, his final destination is still unknown. He could be one day replacing Finn Russell in the navy blue of Scotland, or challenging Marcus Smith for the right to wear a red rose on his chest, or cycling all the way home to the silver fern. It is all ‘Professor Plum in the billiards room with the lead pipe’ type guesswork, as things stand.

You yourself suggested it? Just theoretically? Look I hope Burke does well, but he's not really a player that has got a lot of attention, you've probably read/heard more him in this last few months than we have in his 4 years. Your own comments also suggest going overseas is a good idea to push ones case for national selection, especially for a team like NZ being so isolated. So i'll ask again, as no of your quotes obviously say one thing or the other, why don't you think he might be trying to advance his case like Leicester did?


Also, you can look at Leicesters statements in a similar fashion, where no doubt you are referring to his comments made while in NZ (still playing a big part of the WC campaign in his case). You should be no means have taken them for granted, and I'd suggest any other coach or management and he might not have returned (been wanted back).

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JW 3 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

As Razor should be, he is the All Black coach after all. Borthwick or Schmidt, not so much. The point I was trying to make is that people are comparing Razors first year (14 games) versus Fosters first 14 games, which were over two years and happened to conclude just before he lost all of his EOYT games (Ireland, France, England etc). Not to mention them being COVID level opponents.


So who were these 6 teams and circumstances of Marcus's loses? I had just written that sentence as a draft and it was still there after adding the prior sentence, so just left it there lol. So not bullying no, but left essentially to say 'i'm not going to find out of myself', yes. I thought I had already proved the need for that sort of requirement with the Razor reference. So as per above, there would be a lot of context to take out of those 14 games (those shared between Farrell Ford and Smith) against higher opponents. It's a good stat/way to highlight the your point, but all a stat like that really does is show you theres something to investigate. Had you done this investigation prior to coming to your realisation, or after?


Yes, my view is that England did very well to push New Zealand on multiple occasions, and Marcus specifically in keeping England in the game against Australia. Personally I think Englands results are more down to luck however. And as I said, I'm here to be swayed, not defend Marcus as the #1. I think I understand were you're coming from, and you make a good observation that the 10 has a fair bit to do with how fast a side can play (though what you said was a 'Marcus neutral' statement) and the same argument has been made with the All Blacks fascination with playing players like Beauden Barrett at 10 who can't orchestrate an attack like that in order to compound LQB into points. Even a 10 like Dmac is more a self creator than one that is a cog in a wider plan.


But I still don't think you'd be right if you've put down the sides lack of LQB (pretty sure I remember checking that stat) compared to the 6N as being something to do with a Marcus Smith side. We've seen other similar teams who rely on it being found out recently as well, I just think it's harder to get that flow on (lets not making it a debate about the relative strength of the hemispheres) now (hence said investigation into those games and contexts are required).


25 is also young, he is the best fit to take the side to a RWC. Ford or Farrell are not. Fin could be, but as you've said with Marcus, that would require a lot of change elsewhere in the team 2 years out of a WC. Marcus will get a 6N to prove himself so to speak, unless Fin gets in quick, I don't think you should want a change if you get a couple of reasonable results. But then you expect England to be in the top 3 of the world, let alone the 6N...

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