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Where 'conundrum' 20-minute red card stands now with World Rugby

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Joe Schmidt is hoping the 20-minute red card law trial will be picked up by one of the main northern hemisphere tournaments ahead of the new season in Europe to help broaden the World Rugby research into whether this controversial tweak is worth permanently bringing into the sport. The former Ireland coach is now based back in New Zealand working as the World Rugby director of rugby and high performance and the introduction of the 20-minute red card, whereby the team that loses a player can being on a replacement 20 minutes later, has been one of the more divisive law trials in recent years.

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The big club tournaments in the southern hemisphere – Super Rugby AU, Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby Trans-Tasman – have all utilised their 20-minute red card trial while it was also used in the gimmicky Rainbow Cup, the one-off European tournament that was supposed to see the four big South African franchises take on the PRO14 teams but instead the cross-hemisphere action was limited to a final in Italy between Benetton and the Bulls.

With rugby searching for a happy medium of appropriate sanctioning and not completely ruining a match itself, even All Blacks boss Ian Foster is on the record as being a fan of the 20-minute red card. However, the trial wasn’t put forward for global use from August 1 unlike some other tweaks such as the 50:22 kick and the goal-line drop out.

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Inconsistencies in sanctioning continue to be a frustration across the game: look at how Faf de Klerk was yellow-carded against the Lions in midweek by a South African referee for a shoulder to the head contact that Warren Gatland believed would have been a red card in the UK and Ireland.

Reflecting on the 20-minute red card situation and where it currently sits with World Rugby, Schmidt told RugbyPass: “I see the positives in it and the negatives. We want to make sure that sanctions are severe. We want to make sure that players, if you are going to modify behaviour, then if there is a severe consequence the player is going to look to modify that behaviour as quickly as they possibly can.

“Some of the incidents are a bit of mistiming and it’s a genuine rugby incident, then sometimes it is pretty tough on a player and whether or not they get a 20-minute red card or the red card is for the entire match that individual player still has to attend a judiciary, they still start at the mid-range point of six weeks punishment in terms of suspension, so they still get punished the same way even though their teammates will get punished for the entire game.

“That is part of the conundrum and there are a number of closed 20-minute red card trials that have taken place and what we are trying to do is just collate the information on those, we will put that feedback together and that will help guide as to whether or not it is something we should consider. That guidance comes from players, coaches and referees that feed that information into us as well as the numbers we get.

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“At the moment there are still a number of closed trials happening with the 20-minute red card so as long as those closed trials continue and if they broaden and it’s picked up by one of the big competitions in the northern hemisphere, then that might give us more data than we have and find out whether it works in the game or whether we have to stay as severe as we can be with the punishment for the entire team rather than just really targeting the player who has obviously created the foul play situation.”

Schmidt also felt that the desire of World Rugby to quicken up the game at the breakdown won’t lead to more tackles happening in a game. Ruck speeds have reputedly on average come down by a second this year but this increase in the ball getting played hasn’t equated to defences needing to put in more tackles to shut down the attack.

“We haven’t seen any increase. While we have had an increase in ruck speed we haven’t seen any increase in the tackle numbers, so those two things aren’t correlating for us at the present time because what tends to happen is if the ruck speed is very quick the defence is still on their heels, they have less chance to get off the line and really dominate the tackle.

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“Once you don’t get the advantage line or your ruck speed is slow then the next tackle is easy to make because they have all the time and space they can take away from you whereas when the ball comes quickly you have more time to make more passes. It’s a double spin-off in that you can actually keep the ball out of contact for longer when the ruck speed is quicker.

“That would be just purely as a coach, the ruck speed would be something that would make sense to me and again the numbers that we are seeing that would be the correlation, that quicker ruck speed is not going to cause more tackles.”

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JPM 2 hours ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 2 hours ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 2 hours ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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