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Why 'everyone will be expecting Ireland to win' battle of the behemoths

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Perhaps the most revealing match of pool play in regards to the standings in World Rugby is on our doorstep. Ireland and South Africa will square off at Stade de France in a match with huge implications moving forward.

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A match between the top two ranked teams in the world may sound like the synopsis for a final rather than round three of the pool stages, and it might end up being a prequel to the final in just over a month’s time, but that is exactly what rugby fans have to look forward to in another delicious serving of rugby this weekend.

The winner will be in the driver’s seat of Pool B with a likely matchup with the All Blacks in the quarter-final, while the loser will have to fend off any further challenges from Tonga, Scotland and Romania to claim second and potentially face France in the first round of the knockout stages.

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Ireland have an undefeated record over the past 14 months, including a 19-16 win over South Africa last November, but face a hungry Springbok outfit who have downed New Zealand and Scotland in recent outings.

It’s a clash of the best of the best and predicting a winner is no easy task. Despite initially picking South Africa to emerge victorious, one Kiwi pundit has switched to favour the Irish.

“Again, 60 per cent possession, 64 per cent territory, 59 points. They’re in a rhythm,” James Parsons told the Aotearoa Rugby Pod, referring to Ireland’s statistics in their dominant round two win over Tonga.

“What I like is they’re just keeping the combinations together. They’ll probably rest them after this, if they can get the result, they’ll rest them, they’ll know they’re through.

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“You’ve got to look at (Siya) Kolisi and I suppose the team, they have come out in defence of (Manie) Libbok, but with (Handré) Pollard coming in, he could be a difference-maker. He seriously could. And that’s the only unknown.

“Without that, and I’m obviously a big fan of (Malcolm) Marx, you’d have to say Ireland, you would expect to win.

“Massive opportunity for South Africa to sort of rock the competition because everyone will be expecting Ireland to win.

“Ireland are just so slick. How good is Bundee Aki? He’s just found vintage form. He was sort of on the outer, he wasn’t starting and now, 19 carries, (the lines he runs), just committed.

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“What helps Bundee I think is the discipline of his teammates to keep committed to their role in the system and the bodies in motion. It makes defenders think.”

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Parsons went on to emphasise how the Springboks will have to be assertive in their decision-making on defence, as any hesitation could leave a weak shoulder for the damaging running of Aki to exploit.

His co-panelist, former Maori All Black Bryn Hall, was less convinced the result would go in Ireland’s favour. Hall has the benefit of being teammates with a Springbok who made it clear, the South Africans would play to their strengths.

“Talking to Kwagga Smith last year around how they think they could beat Ireland, it’s the physicality and being able to slow down their ball.

“Last time they actually played, they just lost to Ireland, but what they did in and around that breakdown area, winning collisions, making it really slow, you saw Ireland didn’t get things all their own way in there. They weren’t able to actually have that animation and be able to get that go-forward ball that you’re talking about.

“I can see the South African boys having a 6-2 split and just trying to physically beat up and slow down that ball of the Irish.”

Team Form

Last 5 Games

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Wins
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25
Tries Scored
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99
Points Difference
32
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First Try
4/5
4/5
First Points
4/5
4/5
Race To 10 Points
4/5

While the Springbok pack is renowned for being the most imposing in the rugby world, Ireland are coming off the back of a performance against a team with some world-class physicality in their own right.

Tonga, on paper, looked to be the side with superior size. A whopping 60kg differential in pack weights was noted at scrum time and yet both teams won 100 per cent of their scrums.

Around the park as well, Ireland were more than up to the task of dealing with the ‘Ikale Tahi’s huge ball runners.

“Tonga though – if you look at Ireland defensively – only 37% of (Tonga’s) carries were gain line, and they’re not small men,” Parsons rebutted. “That (Springbok) physicality, I’m not sure is as dominant in this matchup.

“Ireland are one of the more physical sides. The one area I do agree with you is, when they went into the 22, 16 entries, only eight tries. I know that sounds ridiculous but when they’re humming, Ireland aren’t a team that let you off the hook.

“To be at 50 per cent for 22 entries, you’re probably only going to get three or four opportunities against a team like South Africa and you need to probably make them all count.

“Because they – and I think if Pollard starts – can really open you up out wide with their speedsters but also they’ll kick their penalties.”

Winning the battle up front will no doubt go a long way to deciding the result. The pundits admitted it was so difficult to call that it may come down to selections on the day.

“If I was to call it now without knowing (the teams), even if Pollard starts, I think Ireland will win.”

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Michael 459 days ago

15 forwards in the match day 23 is not the game I play and love. Sad really.

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Samora 459 days ago

the trick is, slow down the game and the Boks will win

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Boergundy 460 days ago

I apologise for the rude, low class, arrogant comments from some South Africans on these forums. We are not all like that, some of us do have a basic education and know how to behave to be ambassadors for our country instead of doing our utmost to make people hate us. Maybe Ireland should beat us with a record score on Saturday to make these people shut up and learn what humility means. The players themselves are humble and never walk around boasting about how they are going to crush the opposition. I believe that supporters owe it to the team to display that same attitude. I am sure Siya Kolisi would want us as supporters to not tarnish the image that they are working so hard at to build up.

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Martin 460 days ago

Everyone in a pub in Dublin

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h 460 days ago

used to like saffas until i started reading comments on rugbypass.

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Rory 460 days ago

Why have the comments become dominated by name-calling and personal attacks?
Wasn't rugby supposed to be about comraderie and values?
It's bad enough when Smith has his anti-SA "articles" but seriously in here?
How about rugby discussion and good humour, too much to ask?

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Dewaal 460 days ago

Springboks are head and shoulders above everyone at the moment. Springboks will simply pummel Ireland into submission.

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Simon 460 days ago

Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool. After he speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it. —HL Mencken

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JoNo 460 days ago

Boks need to beat Ireland to stay in the RWC..... Ireland could throw the Scotland game..... ABs in serious trouble of that too, France could throw the Italy game... Holding thumbs for 3 SH teams in the QF's..... (Boks, ABs and FIJI) 😀

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Drew 460 days ago

Looking forward to this one. Gonna be a real acid test. If we win we have to beat the ABs again in the quarters which would be no mean feat.

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Tom 1 hour ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 10 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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