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Why fans are saluting Dai Young despite his trophy-less stint at Wasps

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Wasps fans have highlighted what a heroic job Dai Young done with the club after it was revealed on Tuesday that the director of rugby is stepping back from first-team duties for an interim period.

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The ex-Wales international has been replaced by Lee Blackett during this period, which starts with a Gallagher Premiership trip to nearby rivals Leicester next Saturday. 

There has been no suggestion that his contract with Wasps – which doesn’t expire until 2023 – has been terminated, but fans have nonetheless recognised what he has achieved since arriving in 2011. 

Despite being one of England’s most successful clubs, Wasps were in a terrible position when Young arrived as director of rugby. The club were in financial trouble and faced ongoing problems with Adams Park, home of football’s Wycombe Wanderers, with whom Wasps shared a ground at the time. 

A spate of high profile departures over the seasons prior to Young’s arrival meant he was inheriting a shell of the side that lifted the Heineken Cup twice the previous decade and were last crowned Premiership champions in 2008. 

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These names included Lawrence Dallaglio, Phil Vickery, Josh Lewsey and Simon Shaw, as well as younger players like James Haskell and Danny Cipriani. To make matters worse, Dan Ward-Smith, Joe Worsley and Tom Rees all retired during Young’s first season in charge. 

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In light of the troubles Wasps were facing, the former British and Irish Lion was able to keep them in the Premiership, finishing eleventh that season, only one point above Newcastle Falcons. 

A move to Coventry’s Ricoh Arena in 2014 brought brighter times and the arrival of a number of stars. Young took Wasps to three consecutive Premiership semi-finals, topping the table in 2017 and narrowly losing to Exeter Chiefs in the final in extra-time. The season before, they had reached the semi-final of the Champions Cup. 

Although Wasps are currently enduring a troublesome campaign, sitting in ninth in the Gallagher Premiership and failing to make it out of their Challenge Cup pool, their situation is not too dissimilar to the one that Young was in when he arrived. 

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The club have seen another raft of players depart over the past couple of years such as Willie le Roux, Kurtley Beale, Nathan Hughes and Cipriani after his second stint. 

Given the tumultuous time Wasps have had over the past decade, many fans appreciate what a job the 52-year-old did helping one of England’s great sides rise from the ashes. 

It may not have been a spell laden with trophies – none in fact – but it was a job that very few coaches would want to find themselves in, let alone arrive in, and that is why Young has been commended. 

With Wasps guaranteed safety in England’s top flight following Saracens’ automatic relegation, this is a perfect time to look to the future and Young’s position has been questioned throughout this season. But if he is to go, there is no doubt that his time with Wasps will be looked at fondly. 

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JW 45 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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