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Why Scott Robertson won't be sweating over All Blacks injuries

Scott Robertson at Barbarians training. Photo by Ryan Hiscott/Getty Images for Barbarians

Super Rugby Pacific is without some big names as we find ourselves at the season’s midway point, and that’s on top of the post-World Cup exodus.

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Certain absences have been raising alarm bells ahead of the international season, and there have been rumours swirling over the nature of new All Blacks coach Scott Robertson’s soirees over in the land of the rising sun.

Interpreted by some as a condemnation of the country’s available talent stocks, matters have been made worse by the injury to what many considered to be the country’s premier halfback in Cam Roigard.

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Sam Whitelock swiftly responded to reports over a potential return to the international arena by announcing his retirement, portraying a diminishing scope for Scott Robertson’s selections.

“It doesn’t freak me out so much as it’s not the unknown,” former All Black Justin Mashall told Newstalk ZB when reacting to recent All Blacks selection developments. “Look, good players, great players even are going to get injured and that’s just reality. You’ve got to face that and any nation and any team have to deal with those types of injuries to their key personnel.

“The Sam Whitelock thing was never ever an issue anyway until obviously there were some rumours about him coming back. So, that was never an equation that I factored into the All Blacks scenario anyway.

“Look, obviously Cam Roigard was in really good form and equally, when you’ve got a player in good form and he has been an All Black then that’s great because you feel a bit of security in that position. But, unfortunately, he won’t be there when Scott Robertson names his side to play England in July and Fiji in San Diego.

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“So, it’s there for the rest of those players to take up that challenge and there are incumbents and there are All Blacks in the mix that have been there before; Mitchell Drummond’s been involved in the All Blacks setup before, Finlay Christie obviously, you would call the incumbent. Equally, Folau Fakatava has been there and so has TJ Perenara so I don’t feel that it’s a crisis.”

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The elimination of these big names isn’t expected to dampen Robertson’s spirits either, as the coach steered the Crusaders through injuries to seven All Blacks and still lifted the Super Rugby Pacific trophy in 2023.

The coach has however expressed his interest in adapting the All Blacks eligibility laws to allow for a player like Richie Mo’unga – currently on a three-year deal with Tokyo’s Toshiba Brave Lupus – to join the All Blacks on a special exemption.

“It’s all speculation over what he was doing in Japan, wasn’t it?” Marshall continued. “But he’s not the type of coach to panic and worry about turning Super Rugby players or even provincial players into All Blacks, that’s not an issue for him.

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“What he was doing in Japan, why he was there, again, I don’t know if there’s been any confirmation of the fact that he was desperately trying to get some players back, we might not ever know.

“But, equally, his real strength is not so much coming up with an absolutely miraculous game plan that nobody has ever seen before in their life, it’s more that he has the ability to get his players into a squad, into an environment and make them happy and make them want to play. That’s his strength and he’s able to do that with any type of player.

“What this is, is a good opportunity for New Zealand Rugby and the All Blacks in particular to reset. Let’s face it, it’s been a bit of a roller coaster over the last decade. Particularly the last eight years with two Rugby World Cup exits.

“We haven’t been exactly winning everything and we’ve had our history dented so this is a chance to get a new, fresh start but equally there’s quite a few players that have been there that won’t be there and its a chance to launch into the future and launch into something refreshing.”

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Utiku Old Boy 260 days ago

Agree with most of this. Razor has an ability to pull teams together, be happy and have them focused for crunch matches. The makeup of his first team will definitely be impacted by injuries but across the five SRP teams there is quality to handle England - providing selections in the second and back rows have the right mix. With Scooter, Tuipulotu, Lord, PPP, McWhannell, Vai’i, Selby-Rickit, Strange, Darry, Walker-Leawere the second row has some options and imo, a number of these players have made strides in recent years. The back row will be interesting as there are so many options and rising prospects. International players need height in the loose as well as all the other skills expected of an AB loosie. All 5 teams have at least one, if not several prospects. No fear.

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Tom 1 hour ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 11 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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