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Why the All Blacks and Wallabies have No 10s that aren't yet firing

Noah Lolesio. (Photo by Jono Searle/Getty Images)

While Richie Mo’unga has been one of the All Blacks‘ best this season, both the New Zealand and Australian national sides share something in common: first fives that aren’t necessarily hitting their stride at this stage of the year.

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For the All Blacks, two-time World Rugby Player of the Year Beauden Barrett has played second-fiddle to Mo’unga, despite his years of experience, while young Wallabies playmaker Noah Lolesio has run hot and cold in the Bledisloe Cup series.

Barrett, of course, only returned from a stint in Japan near the end of the Super Rugby season. Alongside Brodie Retallick, he was rushed straight back into the national set-up but has made just one starting appearance in the five games to date. Retallick, on the other hand, is quickly getting back to his best – but that shouldn’t come as a surprise, according to Crusaders centurion Bryn Hall.

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“I think it’s hard because I think Brodie’s had the chance to be able to start,” said Hall on the latest episode of the Aotearoa Rugby Pod when comparing NZ’s two returning players. “Beaudy’s had one start and Brodie’s had a couple so I think being able to have the time in the saddle with Brodie, to be able to play and iron out a few things has probably been a little bit more valuable.”

“I don’t think it’s taking time to come back, I just think the opportunities probably haven’t come,” he added. “It’s the difference [between] having 15, 20 minutes off the bench [compared] with Brodie starting the last two test matches.”

While Lolesio has been firmly entrenched as the Wallabies starting No 10 for their five matches this year, including a three-match series with France, the 21-year-old is still inexperienced at the highest level of the game, only making his test debut last year.

As such, former All Black James Parsons understandably expects the Wallabies to stick with their current playmaker.

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“Absolutely. He’s shown quality beyond his years since coming into the Super Rugby comp,” said Parsons on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod. “I think you just need that time.”

In some ways, Lolesio’s circumstances were similar to Barrett’s with the All Blacks, Parsons suggested.

“Don’t underestimate stringing games together and how that can bring your form back,” he said. “Compare it to the opportunities Beaudie’s had, 15, 20 minutes here.

“I think it’d be unfair to say someone like him isn’t playing well because he’s doing his role of what he’s been given and the opportunities he’s been given. I think the ability to just keep Noah going from game to game, he is only going to get stronger and stronger.”

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Hall also backed the call to stick with the young flyhalf.

“Especially as an inside back, time in the saddle [is huge],” he said. “Being able iron things out, figure things out.

“Obviously this is a little bit different but you look at Richie Mo’unga, how many tests has he played? He’s starting to get into a somewhat rich vein of form, being able to have the experience of being in big games. That World Cup series was invaluable for him. You look at it probably now, was he ready for it? But then that kind of experience brings you to where you are now.”

Parsons further highlighted that a player’s performance is as much about the men around them as it is their individual ability and form.

“We’re talking about the individual here but there’s so much more that goes into it for that position to be successful,” he said.

“Let’s use Richie as an example. He’s got his best mate outside him at the moment. He feels comfortable, he looks comfortable. He’s running with a lot of confidence. Rieko [Ioane] is a big talker at centre, he’s going to give you a lot of comms. Sevu [Reece] just looks like he wants the ball and he’s excited all the time so you’re going to get a lot of comms from him. Will Jordan is a familiar voice to him and Damian [McKenzie] is that dual-pivot role so he’s surrounded by a lot of comms, a lot of experience, a lot of guys that know what they’re doing and feeding that in to make his job easier, on the back of a forward pack that’s going really well as well.

“Noah the week before, he had two young guys [outside him] in [Len] Ikitau and [Hunter] Paisami, and they’re learning and growing and they probably don’t have that ability to communicate and control the game and take the pressure off and understand. I think that’s why [Matt] To’omua came back in.”

The All Blacks and Wallabies are due to square off once more next weekend and both Barrett and Lolesio will be looking to earn some more minutes for their respective sides – whether that’s starting or on the bench – to help them build into the long seasons ahead.

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Tom 5 hours ago
Will Bristol's daredevil 'Bears-ball' deliver the trophy they crave?

Also a Bristol fan and echo your sentiments.


I love watching Bristol but their approach will only get them so far I think. Exeter played like this when they first got promoted to the prem and had intermittent success, it wasn't until they wised up and played a more balanced game that they became a consistently top side.


I really want Bristol to continue playing this brand of rugby and I don't mind them running it from under their posts but I don't think they need to do it every single time. They need to be just a little bit more selective about when and where on the pitch they play. Every game they put themselves under so much needless pressure by turning the ball over under their posts trying to do kamikaze moves when it's not required. By all means run it from your goal line if there is a chance for a counter attack, we all want to see Bristol running in 100m tries from under their posts but I think until they learn when to do it and when to be pragmatic, they are unlikely to win the premiership.


Defense has been a real positive from Bristol, they've shown a lot of improvement there... And I will say that I think this kamikaze strategy they employ is a very good one for a struggling side and could be employed by Newcastle. It's seems to have turned around Gloucester's fortunes. The big advantage is even if you don't have the biggest and best players, what you have is cohesion. This is why Scotland keep battering England. England have better individuals but they look muddled as a team, trying to play a mixed strategy under coaches who lack charisma, the team has no identity. Scotland come out and give it full throttle from 1-15 even if they struggle against the top sides, sides like England and Wales who lack that identity drown under the relentless will and synergy of the Scots. If Newcastle did the same they could really surprise some people, I know the weather is bad up there but it hasn't bothered the Scots. Bristol can learn from Scotland too, Pat is on to something when he says the following but Scotland don't play test matches like headless chickens. They still play with the same level of clarity and ambition Bristol do but they are much better at picking their moments. They needed to go back to this mad game to get their cohesion back after a couple of seasons struggling but I hope they get a bit wiser from matches like Leinster and La Rochelle.


“If there’s clarity on what you’re trying to do as a team you can win anything.”

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