Woodward demands Borthwick stamps out 'rubbish' England antics
The Owen Farrell red card and the late-game England comeback dominated the commentary coming out of last Saturdayās Summer Nations Series match versus Wales at Twickenham. However, it didnāt go unnoticed the goading behaviour of some English players whenever their team won a penalty or a turnover.
Itās a carry-on that was debated on social media and ex-England coach Clive Woodward has now waded into the fuss, demanding that current head coach Steve Borthwick get a grip on this type of celebration, branding it an ugly look just weeks out from the start of the Rugby World Cup with the September 9 clash versus Argentina in Marseille.
Woodward has a reputation for never pulling his punches in his Sportsmail columns and his latest contribution had last weekendās on-pitch behaviours in the crosshairs. āI absolutely hate the incessant celebrating by Englandās players each time the team win a penalty,ā he began, jumping straight into the topic.
āItās awful and has to stop. I could never, ever imagine coaching a side that did that because it does not reflect well at all on those involved, including the head coach. As Englandās boss, Steve Borthwick has to get a handle on it now because it is not a good look for the national side.
āThe celebrating, which sees all the players needlessly going absolutely nuts, is symptomatic of wider problems. When England win a penalty or a turnover, their players all come together and celebrate as if they have just won the World Cup. They arenāt the only team to do this, by the way.
āSometimes, England even do it when a member of the opposition makes a mistake. Iām not a fan of that either. We saw countless examples of these penalty celebrations in the win over Wales on Saturday. Maro Itoje, Jamie George and Ben Earl were at the fore for most of them.ā
What especially riled Woodward was that the celebrations neutered the potential for England to quickly restart play and take advantage of a defence not being set or back three players being out of position.
āThere are so many immediate attacking opportunities and none of these options are available to England because everyone is gathered around the ball celebrating like itās a birthday party! Not only does this stop the game dead, it doesnāt help the spectacle,ā he continued.
āIt also looks particularly childish. Once England are done celebrating, all they can do is kick to touch, go for goal, or opt for a scrum. Playing quickly is off the menu.
āEnglandās players would probably say their celebrating is a way of motivating and congratulating their teammates and a pressure release in what is an intense environment. What utter nonsense. If you need to gee up players who are representing England, then they should not be on the field in the first place.ā
Woodward took issue with one particular example. āThere was one incident in the win over Wales where England won a scrum penalty after an opposition knock-on. Itoje pumps the air like he is dancing in a nightclub. Earl and Jack Willis celebrate individually then hug each other!
āMax Malins, who wasnāt involved in the play, comes in from the wing to give everyone a tap and join the party. Why? Malins should be staying out wide, ready to attack or be part of the next phase.
āI donāt personally know anybody in rugby who approves of teams doing this. Itās complete rubbish. I canāt see a single reason why itās a positive.ā
- Click here to read the full Clive Woodward Sportsmail column
I absolutely agree. It's a lack of respect for the opponent team. A gentleman woud not act this way.
I think this has always been the case to a lesser extent. It got hyped during Covid as teams reacted to a lack of crowds.
I dont massivly like it. But I dont have the skill, drive or temprement to be an international, so they know what works for them.
As long as they dont get involved with the opposition, thats crap.
I think Clive is living on being the only English Manager to win a world cup and sometimes wants it to stay that way. And thinks his 20 year old views are relevant.
It is what it looks like - a team under the pump bigging themselves up in a hysterical manner. Look at what happens when the opposite happens and they are on the backdoor- stupid penalties and cards. Making Aussies look level headed...
If itoji put as much effort into trying to replicate the player he once was, as he does with these ridiculous shows of faux bonhomie then England might once again have a pack that justifies the hype!!
Agreed. That and play acting for cards. BS behaviour. Keep rugby clean! Team fines should be issued and split between the match day 23. This would not be an issue after 6 months š
They are Saracen players and have been doing it for years in the Premiership. I do not agree with it at all, pathetic really.
Itoje started this trend during the Lions series. A part of me likes it because it celebrates the grinding moments that donāt always win the plaudits. Itās also a part of a culture of celebrating little victories that the team might be focusing on, like getting on the ball or causing a knock on thru pressure.
I do agree with the notion it leaves opportunities not taken to attack, but few teams take quick taps nowadays when a 40-50 metre gain is on option thru a kick to touch.
Then again the celebrations can also irk the opposition who u donāt need to give motivation too
Honestly, I always enjoy having a laugh at Clive W and the things that sometimes comes out of his mouth. BUT this time I agree 100% with him.
He also did mention that England is not the only team doing it. I agree.
It is not in the spirit of the game.
It doesn't look good and leaves a bad taste in my mouth seeing it.
I think childish behaviour comes to mind.....
in my view, especially when it comes after a mistake from the opposition. Congratulate a brilliant jackle if you must but please don't praise an opponent knock-on!!
Oh please... Has England got a "kick me" sign on the back of their jumpers? Surely no article about schadenfreude would be complete without invoking the long standing antics of Aaron Smith.
I think you missed the part when he's stated not just England. It's All teams.
DR you are so right. I think thatās why I loathe the All Blacks. As a lad I used to respect them, and looked up to their standards as the good standard of rugby practitioners. What with all the cheating and professional whinging I have just come to despise the team. Whatās more, theyāre so talented that they donāt even have to do all that nonsense, but refs cower at thought of blowing the whistle against an All Black infringement.