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World Cup history may be in Los Pumas' favour but Irish hoodoo still haunts

By Frankie Deges reporting from Buenos Aires
Juan Martín González and Pablo Matera of Argentina look on during The Rugby Championship match between New Zealand All Blacks and Argentina at Eden Park on August 17, 2024 in Auckland, New Zealand. (Photo by Gaspafotos/MB Media/Getty Images)

As easy as it would be to use the parable of the return of the prodigal son, it is not so much for Felipe Contepomi.

In the Gospel of Luke, the parable tells the story of a son that asks his father for his inheritance and then squanders it, eventually returning home in poverty and sickness, to be embraced and accepted by his father.

Whilst Felipe, from a big Catholic family with an older brother who is a priest, is a prodigal son of Leinster, where he shone as a player and was later earmarked as head coach after two years as assistant coach, he returns successful. 

The wealth of experience in his 10 years living in the fair city has allowed him to take the reigns of his country and lead them to new heights. 

As kind as the city has been to him, it has always been a place where performance levels drop for Los Pumas, who have never been able to win in 11 previous visits.

Head-to-Head

Last 4 Meetings

Wins
4
Draws
0
Wins
0
Average Points scored
33
16
First try wins
75%
Home team wins
100%

Whilst a couple of the Argentina’s best-ever performances have been amongst the eight wins against the Irish – the mind goes back to Paris in 2007 and Cardiff in 2015 as well as the famous win in Lens in 1999, all in Rugby World Cups – the old Lansdowne Road, Croke Park and the Aviva Stadium have only brought deception.

When speaking of the strengths of Ireland, a team and many of its players Contepomi knows very well, he opens: “I won’t say anything new; it is the intense, dynamic style they try to play, their cohesion, with many players that play together all year for Leinster. Even if they don’t play the way Leinster does, there are similarities and that helps them.”

Whilst he added some of his DNA to the Leinster way, he also certainly got a true insight of what Irish rugby is all about. He downplays the influence.

“I can know the players, but it is our players that need to do their homework and know who they are playing against. I don’t know if it is an advantage. I try to transmit what I know about Irish culture, Irish rugby and about some of their players. At the end of the day, it is about individual and collective preparation that can make the difference.”

Three changes to the starting lineup include the return of Pablo Matera al flanker after a one-game suspension, lock Guido Petti, who has had an injury-ridden season, and Matías Moroni who will play at the unaccustomed inside centre position. They bring 279 caps of experience to the 694 of the starting XV.

In the backs, the return of Santiago Carreras will give the team options at various positions and Justo Piccardo, who can play at centro or wing, having played professional rugby with Super Rugby Americas team Pampas this year, is in line for test debut.

“Justo has made a lot of progress this year and has huge potential. The way we will play could be good for him. We are very happy and hopefully it will be a great experience for him.”

“We see the window as a whole not as three games; depending on how things evolve in training, how players compete and their form, we decide. We believe these are the best 23 players of the group of 32 players for this game.”

Argentina reaches Dublin in Contepomi’s first season as head coach. The team has beaten France, New Zealand, Australia (breaking records in both), South Africa and last Saturday against Italy 50-18.

Whilst there is a new-found confidence, for Argentina progress is seen “as being able to do on match day what we train. We evaluate ourselves different to the way people outside evaluate us; it is not about scores,” stresses 47-year-old Contepomi.

On Friday, “we have a slim opportunity, but every game starts with both teams on zero. We know what we are coming into.”

Back to the return to a place where he has lived a third of his adult life, two of his three children were born, he became a medical doctor and played some of his best rugby.

“It is great being back in a city and country I love. Fortunately, I’ve had a lot of phone calls and friends to see having lived here for ten years,” he says mentioning he has already caught up with Leo Cullen and has more to meet with before he leaves for Paris next Saturday.

“It is great to have these friendships as, at the end of the day, it is the most valuable thing rugby gives you. It has been great to be back, trying to find the time to catch up with many friends here. From a rugby side, it is another opportunity for this team to continue competing and growing and I don’t take it as what it offers me.”

“Argentina has the opportunity of playing against one of the top three teams in the world over the last six, seven years. It is about the pride of coming here to try to beat Ireland. It is a big, big challenge.”

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Hellhound 5 days ago

This is going to be an interesting matchup. If the Irish underestimate the Pumas they are going to lose. This Argentinian team is very dangerous. Do not think for a moment that if they are like 20 points behind, that you are going to win the game. They can haul that in very quickly. Big scores don't scare the Argentinians. Only the best will suffice against them

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Bull Shark 6 days ago

I rate Contemponi. This is the perfect gig for him to hone his craft. Can see him making waves somewhere else someday.

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JW 46 minutes ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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