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World Cup winner Steve Hansen on how close he really was to the sack with Wales

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World Cup winning-coach Steven Hansen has revealed he was threatened with the sack during his troubled time in charge of Wales. The New Zealander, who inherited the reins from ousted fellow Kiwi Graham Henry, was enduring a ten-game losing streak in the lead-up to the 2003 World Cup in Australia when he was told in no uncertain terms he would be jettisoned if that barren run increased to eleven defeats in their next outing.

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So bad were the Welsh at that time they had been thumped 43-9 by an understrength England in Cardiff in an August warm-up and it left Hansen in an uncomfortable position heading into the final preparation match versus Scotland.

Explaining a seminal moment in his coaching career, Hansen told walesonline.co.uk: “Oh, I know how close I came (to getting sacked). David Moffett had come to see me and told me if we didn’t beat Scotland that I was going home.

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“I didn’t tell anybody because I didn’t see the point putting them under pressure. But I also told him I wouldn’t be changing the plan. I had asked for the warm-up matches to be friendlies because we needed to do a series of different things.

“I wanted the players to train hard. We needed the fitness levels, we didn’t need the games. But the union didn’t want to buy into that, they wanted them to be true internationals. Then we got smoked by England’s B team basically.

“We’d had a training week you wouldn’t normally have if you were playing a Test at the end of it and it meant we had a tired team that went on the park. We went through a bit of pain in the media and from the supporters over that defeat because it was England.

“Then we got the visit from Dave. He couldn’t say it himself. I had to say it for him. I said: ‘Ok that’s fine, but what you’ve got to do is work out who you are going to replace me with.’ I’m going to stay here and work on how I can get this team to be the team we need it to be.”

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It was a sliding doors moment in Hansen’s coaching career. Instead of being unceremoniously tossed aside on the scrapheap, his Wales team went on to enjoy a positive World Cup, giving England quite a scare in the quarter-finals.

With his reputation now enhanced, he soon returned to New Zealand to become part of Henry’s All Blacks coaching ticket which went on to win the 2011 World Cup before Hansen himself took over and repeated the trick at the 2015 finals. Hansen has since moved on to club coaching in Japan.

 

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JW 19 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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