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World Rankings: The worst-rated All Blacks of all time?

All Blacks dejected after the try of Malcolm Marx of the Springboks during the Castle Lager Rugby Championship match between South Africa and New Zealand at DHL Stadium on September 07, 2024 in Cape Town, South Africa. (Photo by Ashley Vlotman/Gallo Images/Getty Images)

While there is a feeling that the best of Scott Robertson’s All Blacks is still to come, three defeats in a Rugby Championship campaign for the first time in history has led to the critics sharpening their knives.

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Cutting to the chase, things could get a lot worse this weekend if they lose to Australia in the Bledisloe Cup.

The All Blacks have had a firm grip on the trophy since 2003 and have a proud record of only one defeat in their last 10 visits to Sydney.

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    However, if the wounded Wallabies can galvanise themselves and make it a record-breaking day for James Slipper to remember, the current All Blacks team could be rated the worst of all time since the World Rugby Men’s Rankings were introduced in October 2003.

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    It will take something extraordinary for the fallen Rugby Championship champions to plummet to new depths, but if Australia were to win by more than 15 points at the Accor Stadium, the All Blacks’ rating would drop below 86 points for the first time.

    When they sunk to their lowest-ever position of fifth under former boss Ian Foster on 8 August, 2022, the All Blacks had a rating of 86.13 points.

    But an Australian win by more than 15 points for only the fifth time in the 121-year history of trans-Tasman fixtures would lead to the All Blacks’ rating being cut by 2.32 points to 85.93.

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    The last time Australia achieved a win of that magnitude against the All Blacks was at the Optus Stadium in Perth in 2019, when they won 47-26.

    The other occasions were in 1999 when they won 28-7 at the Telstra Dome in Sydney, a 26-10 win at the Sydney Cricket Ground in 1980 and way back in the mists of time, a 17-0 win at Lancaster Park in Christchurch in 1921.

    Any form of defeat regardless of the margin will see the All Blacks drop down to fourth in the rankings, while Australia will climb up to eighth if they avoid defeat.

    If New Zealand justify their heavy favourites’ tag and reel off an eighth consecutive win over their arch-rivals they will remain in third.

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    Defeat for Australia opens the door for Fiji to improve on 10th place if they are able to claim a record sixth Pacific Nations Cup title with victory over Final Series hosts Japan in Osaka on Saturday, a match that can be watched live and for free on RugbyPass TV. For this to happen, either Fiji or New Zealand must win by more than 15 points.

    Meanwhile, Runaway Rugby Championship leaders South Africa could extend their advantage over Ireland at the top of the rankings to 1.74 rating points if they beat Argentina by more than 15 points in Santiago del Estero.

    On the flip side, a first defeat of The Rugby Championship 2024 would see Ireland replace the Springboks at number one as well as potentially leaving the title race open going into the final round.

    Argentina will return to sixth place if they win or draw against South Africa, climbing back above Scotland.

    Elsewhere, Japan will move above Georgia and into 12th place if they win the Pacific Nations Cup on home soil and USA stand to gain two to three places if they beat Samoa in the third place play-off.

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    Md1991 154 days ago

    not the worst yet. But give them time. By the end of the year they’ll be playing with 12 men on the field and they’ll blame everyone else for that fact.

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    Forward pass 153 days ago

    Will South Africa still be playing with 16 on the field and 1 up in the TMO box?

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    DC 155 days ago

    no they are not remember both allblacks teams in 1949 losing series against both australia and south africa

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    YourTeamSux 155 days ago

    The 1924 ABs side that lost to Auckland was pretty sh#thouse.

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    DS 153 days ago

    An AB team in 2024 losing to Auckland would be much worse!

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    Bull Shark 155 days ago

    But an Australian win by more than 15 points for only the fifth time in the 121-year history of trans-Tasman fixtures would lead to the All Blacks’ rating being cut by 2.32 points to 85.93.


    So basically not going to happen.


    I’m surprised that RP wasted its time with this article instead of the one about Ireland overtaking SA…

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    Howbzr76 155 days ago

    World rankings 🫢🤭never thought much of them, even when the All Blacks were on top- Even less now they ain't AND haven't been for a while 😆 But for real, Springboks and Ireland definitely deserve their spots at the top with their dominance over us in the last couple of years.👍 👏 Kia kaha Aotearoa💯Razors in charge, its early days with his coaching at test level only 6 games deep. Lets just let him lead 😝💪... For now anyways 🫠

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    LE 155 days ago

    Bit of a silly article.

    The entire premise is if NZ lose by more than 15 pts to a poor Australia side, which lets face it seems extremely unlikely

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    Howbzr76 155 days ago

    Aah seems extremely unlikely?? But still definitely possible. Was unlikely losing 1st test against the Pumas and both boks tests. Definitely a rebuilding/settling in phase so anything can happen 👀😫

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    BM 155 days ago

    NZ did not overlook Joe Schmidt as he had another job with R.A. by the time Scott Robertson's new coaching group was finalized. As a Kiwi we respect his record so R.A. better not turf him like so many other Kiwi Coaches have been sacked before they had the chance to fulfill their contracts though EDDIE JONES deserved all he got by playing cruel games with players and R.A. in his second appointment.

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    OJohn 155 days ago

    Eddie Jones did better against Argentina than Joe Schmidt.

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    TO 155 days ago

    In their obscene rush to get their fellow Crusaderite into the job, they broke protocol, overlooked overseas experienced coaches and named him before the current coach had finished. There should be no favours for this guy as he was supposed to be the "messiah".

    Tony Brown to Africa, Schmidt to Australia - it's looking the pale, stale, males are still getting all the breaks.

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    JW 1 hour ago
    Where is the new breed of All Black 10?

    Players like Prendergast and Finn Smith already have a few seasons at top club level under their belt and are now test players, at an age when NZ players make their debuts in SR.

    That’s just a difference in standards. You’re confusing SR for being their local domestic comps, where it’s more accurately comparable to Champions Cup, apart from that teams are happy to throw games as it’s in a bit of a limbo in terms of importance atm.


    All these kids have been playing for a comparable NPC team for years now. Sam is no where near ready for tests but he has a great temperament, much like Sextons, that makes it a good choice to speed up his development. He wasn’t even a comparable Super Rugby starter before playing for Ireland, so not a great comparison.


    Fin would be much better example, but then England don’t have 3 world class Test tens in front of him (not that I’d put Beauden their but obviously in terms of young NZ players chances, he is). Would he otherwise have debuted at the same age as Fergus Burke (injury and leaving withstanding), around 24, a couple of years later? England also aren’t as pedantic to who they give jerseys to, in NZ a test jersey is very hard earned for the most part.


    In general I think the effects are as you say, but the only difference is the money involved, as you yourself said, their paths are just as all over the show being loaned out playing for clubs etc. My solution to that, and what you perceive as the problem, would be to introduce university football that utilitizes the large investment they have into high performance sport.

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    Jennifer Ross 3 hours ago
    One rule for Europe's copycats, another for the Springboks

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    Jennifer Ross 3 hours ago
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    JW 4 hours ago
    Where is the new breed of All Black 10?

    JJ and DMac shows how little attention you actually pay to the substance of the articles.

    What do you mean by that? For lack of an answer from you I’d suggest yuo need to look at the game again and then read your article. Because although I’m not going to again but I did quickly review the videos and they all match correctly with my perception.

    JTPL is shifting towards overseas players being JQP in future

    No they’re not, thats a flatout lie Nick. You can find an article on here with their CEO where they want more out of their deals but it’s standard professional sports fair, nothing underhand like the NH does. I find that quite foul that you would share such a view.


    I suppose the new World Club League thats starting would die for the best ABs even for just a year, and probably set them up even better. Mo’unga hadn’t done enough to earn a sabbatical though. This is where NZR needs to start questioning itself. You can’t blame the player if the NZR are not even interesting in offering you a contract. In situations where say NZR aren’t able to reach 70% of the offer I think a great starting point would be for them to be treated differently than someone who just left for money. NZR could say make that player immediately eligible if NZR decide to make a fair offer and they sign to return, with players putting in their overseas contracts a right to leave early if they resign back with NZR.


    Even with Japans fading desire for sabbaticals I still think NZ can make it a good destination and have many reciprocal agreements with JRFU and the JRLO teams. The situation still very much favours NZ and Australia but it’s upto them to make the most of it or the JRFU won’t see any reason to be the ones always giving the favours.

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