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'You are having bad days': Kirwan calls for more superstars in All Blacks Sevens side

New Zealand's All Blacks Sevens team celebrates with their trophy after winning the cup final against Argentina on the second day of the Los Angeles 2023 World Rugby Sevens Series event at Dignity Health Sports Park on February 26, 2023 in Carson, California. (Photo by Patrick T. Fallon / AFP) (Photo by PATRICK T. FALLON/AFP via Getty Images)

After winning back-to-back events in Sydney and Los Angeles, the All Blacks Sevens stumbled to a quarter-final loss to Australia in Vancouver on the World Rugby Sevens Series.

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Whilst the Black Ferns Sevens have dominated the circuit, winning four of the five events in the 22/23 Sevens Series, the men have found the competition tougher since 2014.

The All Blacks Sevens won 12 Series out the first 15 years of competition since the year 2000, routinely taking 1st place but that has changed with just one title from the last seven years.

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In 2023 they are back in pole position but the race is tighter than ever before with Argentina breathing down their necks after taking gold in Vancouver over the weekend.

Former All Black John Kirwan discussed the matter on Sky Sport NZ’s The Breakdown and came to the conclusion that is just reality now.

“The 7s are going pretty well, they are top, they’ve already qualified [for the Paris Olympics],” Kirwan said.

“The men’s game, if you are watching it a lot, you are having bad days.

“You have a bad day, have a bad game, can’t get the ball. They nearly lost and just won in the last minute in one of the other qualifying games.”

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The All Blacks Sevens have been led by veterans Tim Mikkelson, Joe Webber, Sam Dickson and Dylan Collier for some time now.

Fijian-born Akuila Rokolisoa has become the real star of the side and this year’s breakout player Roderick Solo has added some real firepower to the side.

But Kirwan had a solution to boost the men’s side with the Paris Olympics just around the corner and highlighted the difference between the men and the Black Ferns.

“The difference between our male and our female 7s game is our superstars from our 15s do go to the 7s,” Kirwan said.

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“That doesn’t happen in our male game and I think it is something we possibly need to look at.

“Can we have a few more crossover athletes? I think these athletes are great, don’t get me wrong, they are winning it, so no complaints there.”

Following the win at the Rugby World Cup 2021 in 15s, Black Ferns heroes Portia Woodman-Wickliffe, Stacey Waaka [Fluhler], Theresa Fitzpatrick, and Sarah Hirini have all switched back to 7s.

“But the superstar, we are going to go to next year’s Olympics, can we have that situation where guys crossover?” Kirwan asked.

“But they would need to crossover at the beginning of the year.”

Ahead of the 2016 Rio Olympics Sonny Bill Williams made the switch to play 7s while at the Tokyo 2020 event, played in 2021, Caleb Clarke made the crossover but didn’t end up being picked in the playing squad, instead travelling as a reserve.

The men’s side finished with silver in the 2020 Olympic final after losing to Fiji.

Often some of the brightest young talents in New Zealand are given the chance to start their professional rugby careers on the 7s circuit. Rieko Ioane and Etene Nanai-Seturo are examples, while the latest is Carlos Spencer’s son Peyton who has also signed with the Blues.

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Andrew 624 days ago

JK. Just where are they to get these stars from?

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'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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