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LONG READ Can 'Tongan Thor' rediscover his strength before the Lions arrive?

Can 'Tongan Thor' rediscover his strength before the Lions arrive?
1 day ago

Exactly 12 months ago, mighty prop Taniela Tupou was replaced after only 32 minutes for the now-defunct Melbourne Rebels against his old club the Queensland Reds. My colleague at RugbyPass, Finn Morton, offered up this punishing precis of the Tongan Thor’s performance cameo:

“Tupou just hasn’t looked like his old self this season. There haven’t been any terrorising runs down the field, and not many big hits to note either.

“Playing against his old club, Tupou didn’t carry the ball once. The tight-head prop also made the fewest tackles of any starting forward – and only one more than fly-half Carter Gordon, who made four stops.

Taniela Tupou
Taniela Tupou has not been at his rampaging best so far in Super Rugby Pacific (Photo Tim Clayton/Corbis via Getty Images)

“Inside the opening 10 minutes, Tupou was walking more than any other player. In one instance, he was the last to arrive at a lineout and one of the last to leave as the play moved on.

“Tupou did receive some praise from the Stan Sport commentators after winning a penalty at the breakdown early on, but that was about as good as it got.”

If there is one player Joe Schmidt needs to be firing at full power for the visit of the British and Irish Lions in July, it is the man nick-named ‘Nella’. The Lions are likely to be stacked with power down the left side of the scrum, picking from the likes of Andrew Porter, Ellis Genge and Pierre Schoeman at loose-head prop, with a pair permed from Dan Sheehan, Jamie George, Luke Cowan-Dickie and Dewi Lake alongside them.

An Australian scrummaging right side featuring 135kg of Tupou, with 145kgof Will Skelton behind him and 120kg of Brandon Paenga-Amosa next door, would give those grizzly Lions ample food for thought. But it all depends on the Tongan Thor turning up in the right mindset to play. Without a fully-focused Tupou the fear factor, and one potential Wallaby point of difference will mysteriously disappear, stolen by a thief in the night.

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Australia Joe Schmidt Taniela Tupou” width=”1024″ height=”519″ /> The Wallabies would benefit hugely from an in-form Tupou, backed up by the enormous Will Skelton, when the Lions arrive (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Playing for his new club, the New South Wales Waratahs, against the Reds at the Suncorp on Saturday evening, Tupou generated stats which rivalled those one year earlier. It was like Groundhog Day. He stayed on for slightly longer [46 minutes, equating to 25 minutes of actual ball-in-play time], but he could easily have been given the hook well before oranges.

His time on the field generated two runs for one metre, and six tackles with one penalty against for a hit delivered with no wrap of the arms. To put those stats in perspective, Tupou’s partner in the starting front row Angus Bell stayed on for 58 minutes [including 30 minutes of active ball-in-play], making 13 runs and the same number of tackles. That is one action every three minutes by the Tahs number three compared to one every minute by their number one. That is not a sustainable situation for the 2025 Wallabies.

Dan McKellar and Schmidt need the fiercely-motivated, 2021 version of Taniela Tupou: the tight forward in the van of back-to-back wins over the world champion Springboks; the dark destroyer of proud ball-carriers in the tackle, the wrecking ball on the carry and at scrum time. If he still exists, that man is indeed a hammer-whirling Thor, not a lazy, lounge-lizard Loki.

The prop who finds his feet struggling to stay in touch with Mother Earth in that second clip is none other than Alex Hodgman, Tupou’s immediate opponent for all but three minutes of his time on the pitch at the Suncorp.

‘Nella’ did not make quite the same dramatic impact on Hodgman at the set-piece this time around, but the area which illustrated his lack of physical and mental application more clearly than any other was his defence at the lineout.

The basic rule for the defender on the open-side edge of the maul is he must promote as far as possible around the corner to stop the drive developing on that side of the field. He cannot afford to lose containment on the edge, at any cost. But Tupou finds himself dragged towards the centre of the drive, and the maul rolls around him far too easily for comfort.

He also looked dazed and confused in scenarios where forwards are required to protect the acting half-back.

On this occasion, the Waratahs successfully defend the lineout in the air with Hugh Sinclair knocking the ball down in the middle. As soon as the steal is made, Tupou [standing at the back] needs to switch on and compress down the line so no Reds forward has easy access to the acting half-back [hooker Dave Porecki] who is going back to pick up the loose ball. But in this instance Tupou’s ex-teammate in Melbourne, Josh Canham gets a clear run at Porecki. If anything, Taniela is ushering him through the sky-blue line.

The climax came in the 34th minute, with a piece of lineout drive defence which left McKellar fuming.

The ball is won at the front-middle, and the strongest forward in the Waratahs squad has 22m and 13 seconds in which to engage the drive. In the event he never gets within two or three metres of involving himself, and it is left to the Tahs scrum-half Teddy Wilson and right wing Triston Reilly to do the last-ditch defending up the middle instead. Without naming any names, McKellar commented acidly: “That maul try was borderline embarrassing for all involved. It’s hard to stop a rolling maul if you stand there and watch it.”

The forward who did himself the most favours in terms of Lions selection was Queensland number six Seru Uru. In several previous articles, I have recommended the selection of Uru in his optimal spot on the blindside flank, especially in any arrangement of the back five forwards which includes Skelton starting in the second row. The Queenslander is the best lineout jumping option in Australia from six, and he is also the most dangerous big man running the wide channels on attack.

As soon as Uru passes beyond the 15m line, he always makes the right footballing decisions and has he has the elastic arms to keep the ball away from the tackler and offload it successfully. That keeps play fluid in the most important attacking segment of the field.

Sooner or later, the accumulation of effective offloads and good decision-making reaches a tipping point, and pays out its dividends in the form of line-breaks and tries.

Without Uru’s all-in-one transfer in the second clip, his back-row brother-in-arms Fraser McReight does not score one of the outstanding tries of the SRP season so far in the left-hand corner.

The Super Rugby Pacific equivalent of ‘State of Origin I’ turned out to be all maroon, down to its bootlaces. The 35-15 scoreline will have put McKellar on red notice for the work that remains to be done with his charges generally. It will also have persuaded him of the not so gentle mental massage needed to coax the best out of his blue-riband tight-head prop.

It was less than 12 months ago Tupou’s signature was being chased by champion club Leinster, with a reported offer of $950K AUD per annum on the table. It has probably cost Rugby Australia much more than a million a year to keep him at home. But the goodwill will evaporate rapidly if the Tongan Thor cannot come up with the goods before the Lions arrive. Australia will need all hands on deck, especially up front, for that visit by the best of Great Britain and Ireland.

Uru meanwhile has done his chances of selection no harm at all. The Lautoka-born hybrid looks settled as a big, ball-playing blindside flanker who can slip into the middle row when necessary – not the other way around. He has a combined skill-set at lineout and in the attacking 15-5m channels no other Australian big man can rival. He has established his point of difference. One way or another, the prospects of success against the Lions may depend on those who bleed maroon red – whether the cut comes in secret, or it happens in plain sight.

Comments

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Mitch 17 hours ago

Deep down, Taniela would love to still be at the Reds and who can blame him?

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NB 16 hours ago

You could well be right Mitch.

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PT 18 hours ago

Isn't it great to see the Aussie sides performing well in SR. Here's hoping they can give the B&I lions 3 good games, & of course the other matches. It's obviously good for Australia, it's good for NZ, & fantastic for the international scene. Really looking forward to the tour.


(apologies for the foul language aimed at that moron OJ Nick, talk about demented 😂)

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OJohn 5 hours ago

Keep it up. I love it. It’s only a reflection on yourself.

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NB 16 hours ago

Thanks- and agreed on all points PT.

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AD 22 hours ago

Now for the Uru part Nick.


I tend to agree with you.


However, Wilson has been good, and a good captain. I say this despite my belief that McReith is the best long term captain option.


From memory, we have got away with it when both Skeleton and Wilson were both on the park, but it might only have been one match.


If Joe is going to stick with Wilson, and presuming Skeleton plays, I think that the way to do it is to mix up the lineout in the first half, and use Skeleton for a couple of surprise lineouts first up (as he has done in France), a couple to Frost, a couple to Wilson, then back to Frost and one to Valetini! That sort of thing.


In the second half, bring Uru on for Wilson after 55, and LSL on for Skeleton at 65. The second half lineout would be more “normal”.

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NB 20 hours ago

I’ve previously touted McReight as the best option as skipper and I think that is how it will end AD.


The best match Aussie played up front last November was with Skelton at 4 and Uru at 6 against Wales, when they reversed the maul trend from July. With HW in for Seru the following week v Scotland, not so good.


There was a reason that arrangement doesn’t work so well! The other legit option is to shift Williams to 6 where he would be comfortable vs. SA for example.

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AD 1 day ago

Yes Nick, a major worry.


Despite his very poor form, he holds the scrum up better than any others at THP. I think Alaalatoa isn't what he was, and Nonggor & Co aren't really up to scratch. Nor is Slipper at THP.


I think that they have to pick him, and he knows it.


It's probably not a popular opinion, and probably my opinion of McKellar as being an underwhelming coach. He's not getting anything out of Tuopo.


I suspect a lift this week, and more when Joe gets involved, but nonetheless a disappointing situation!

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NB 20 hours ago

I think even Slips would say he’s too old to be trying to hold the scrum up v Porter or Genge right now.


Nongorr’s improving, De Lutiis still very raw judging by his performance v Tamaiti, so they will have to go with some combo of TT and AAA. But who starts, and for how long?


Even DMK cannot make TT get involved if he doesn’t seem to want to!

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mused 1 day ago

TT was in his best form when he played for QLD. RA effed up by sending him to NSW when the rebels folded. McKellar hasn’t helped his case by fielding underpowered locks and porecki inside him is a spud.

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NB 20 hours ago

Nice to hear from you M, though it’s harly Porecki or the second row’s probs if Nella doesn’t want to run! If he wanted to go to Qld, then De Lutiis and Nongorr both had to go the other way…

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dw 1 day ago

Interested to know more. Bell seems to be a pretty decent front row bro? Kailea and Amone some other decent partners. Nick’s analysis shows his general play is lacking too.

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JM 1 day ago

It’s frustrating for sure. He has had a quiet season, but even then you see some scrums and breakdown turnovers from him that are so effortless.

He definitely looks fitter. Maybe it won’t be until he gets into camp and has the competition/tough love from Alan Alaatoa and some of the other islander boys.

On the GBRNZA podcast he had a great interview, spoke about Cron keeping it simple for him. Whereas preseason for the Tahs there was talk about focussing him on technique and practising that to get in shape/improve. Maybe that sucks the interest out of it? Just focus on playing to his instincts. How do you balance that?

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NB 20 hours ago

He’s always had the tools JM. The issue has always been when, and how long he applies them for! Coaches hate it when they cannot predict performance level. You look at Tadhg Furlong, one of his main credits was his consistency - he put it week in week out and it made him the best THP in the world!


It’s hard to say what the trigger for an improvement will be. As you say I’m sure being around AAA, BPA and the other islanders will help with the sense of ‘family’… but he’s 28 now and we should be seeing the very best of him regularly. Instead we’re still wondering who will turn up.


FYI I don’t feel he’s someone who can be ‘whipped’, he has to be nurtured.

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Mzilikazi 1 day ago

Very topical article, Nick. I had a bit of discussion on Tupou’s performance a few days ago on another article and wrote: “Tupou,….….he would be the most disappointing player I have seen emerge in my time in Australia, now 37 yrs. He would have been rated by many in the top 3 TH group in the world 4/5 yrs ago. Now I doubt if he would even be in the top 10. I would not even rate him as a great scrummager atm. Really is so sad, as he can show such great ball handling skills as well.”


Jeznez(you may recall him from “the other site”, lot of scrummaging expertise) challenged me on my not rating him as a scrummager based on this season’s games…..I still have to go back and look at footage I have not seen, as I may be speaking unfairly there.


But I stand strong on my overall comment, and your first clip, from WB’s v Boks, is like being doused in freezing cold water, when looking at how TT is playing right now. I would see Nongorr as a better choice for the WB’s now.


It is maddening to think of where this big prop should be. He was once in the same bracket as Furlong and Malherbe. I even recall once commenting on one of your articles that he was perhaps the best in world…you put me right by mentioning all the qualities Tadgh Furlong had.


Not long to go now till Lions come……would have real concerns Tupou won’t be there.

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NB 20 hours ago

In a way it’s a pity he never went to Leinster, if only for one season Miz.


He would be surrounded by ppl as talented as he and forced to work hard for a spot - that would give him a sense of perspective I don’t feel he always has in Aussie…


If he saw just how hard Tadhg Furlong and Andrew Porter work at their games for example, it might have given him food for thought He might have even more talent than Tadhg but he’s not the same mature man on a rugby field.


Scrums have been okay - Tahs are still tops in the overall pen count at +8 - but the work rate outside it is a problem.

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dw 1 day ago

Thanks Nick. My only concern is after being blasted for that performance he may turn up angry against the Brumbies this Saturday…


But overall yes it is really concerning. One of the journos pointed out he is the highest paid forward in Oz. Mackellar stated before the season that you have to get him to enjoy his rugby to get the best out of him. Any ideas how to do that? The 2021 clip suggests he was fitter and keener. Is it possible his body is struggling..


Anyway yes Uru seems the pick at 6. The force keep picking Williams at 4 not 6. Would you drop Harry Wilson Or Bobby V for the wallabies 8?

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NB 20 hours ago

Let’s darn well hope so DW! I don’t know how DMK handles him but he has to find the right emotional ‘trigger’ in a hurry! I suspect it’s probably a ‘soft trigger’ - like Poreacki and Bell getting around him and saying ‘look, we cannot function as we want without you going at full bore’.


I’d have Bobby at 8, Uru/Williams at 6 and Harry steaming in off the bench!

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James 1 day ago

I like the sound of an Uru, Bobby V, Fraser back row. Wilson seems a bit underpowered at test level.

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NB 20 hours ago

I does give some variety James. Although both Bobby V and Harry W are very good players, they might be too similar against some opponents. The other option is shifting Jeremy Wiiliams to 6 if Skelton plays 4.

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Mzilikazi 1 day ago

Can see why you have doubts about Harry Wilson, J. However, I do see signs of him moving towards a Vermeulan style 8th man. Strong carries from deep runs, but still tends to lose the ball in contact. His work in tandem with McReight is a big factor in his favour. What I would be interested to see is a starting backrow of McReight, Wilson and Uru, Valetini the power carrier of the bench around 50 min mark.

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OJohn 1 day ago

You need at least two great players in each position.

Being McReight or Reimer at 7

Valentini or Uru at 6

Cale or Wilson at 8 - all 4 of these players could probably interchange.


We have phenomenal depth with some fantastic back up players like Champion De C and Tom Hooper who provides great utility value and is playing outstandingly well. Tizzano as well. Gleeson maybe.

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OJohn 1 day ago

You can take the boy out of Queensland but you can’t take the Queensland out of the boy 😀.


Thor is getting paid very nicely by the Tahs but to expect him to turn against Queensland was always fantasy. He’s just pretending to be a fake Tah.


Taniela is human and a deeply emotional one. Trying to turn him in to a traitor is just typical Tah arrogance and hubris. After all, a Tah would have no problem with it. Look at Michael Hooper and Kurtley Beale …..


Seru Uru is fantastic and is just growing and growing. Almost Fardy like which is probably the highest compliment you could pay him. Schmidt will ignore him because he represents a serious threat to the All Blacks.


If Schmidt doesn’t get some serious wins this year, Australian rugby and the Tahs would have wasted another couple of years and another couple of million Australian rugby dollars on another hopeless kiwi, when we could have been giving a real Australian coach some invaluable experience.


I don’t think Schmidt will be able to handle the pressure and will crumble and become completely irrational in his selections and tactics just like Deans and Rennie did.


Or he could be like every other kiwi who has failed in Australia and say, it wasn’t my fault !

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frandinand 7 hours ago

Seeing he spent his first 17 years in Tonga and NZ it's hard to see the depth of his emotional attachment to Queensland.


Thanks though for alerting all of us to the fact that he is human.


You must have special insights to know how emotional he is.


I can reliably report that he is very homesick for Tonga and that is the real problem. Despite your fantasies Walter that is his spiritual homeland not Queensland.

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NB 20 hours ago

Thor is getting paid very nicely by the Tahs but to expect him to turn against Queensland was always fantasy. He’s just pretending to be a fake Tah.

If they and he knew that was the case they could have moved Toomaga-Allen and maybe De Lutiis over to the Tahs and sent TT back to Qld.


But if you agree to come, get paid better for it than anyone else in Aussie, you have to show up on the field. Even you can understand that.


Seru does not have Fardy’s sheer toughness but he does have a pair of hands Scott could only dream about!


I’m too bored to get back into the Schmidt convo with you again. Aussie got themselves into a mess, Joe is helping them get out of it, take some responsibility. End of.

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dw 1 day ago

Schmidt already has achieved a win at Twickenham. The boys wouldn’t have had the belief to win there under your Randwick mate Eddie.

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PT 1 day ago

You are the biggest d head on this site by a country mile. Why don't you take your petulant & pathetic anti kiwi bs & stick it up your fu¢king ar$e

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BA 1 day ago

If they win Lions series u are officially not allowed to celebrate feel joy any warm fuzzies of victory not even a smile

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