It is the single most mouth-watering, spine-tingling mystery of the forthcoming July series, before boot has ever been put to ball. What will be the make-up of the All Blacks team which trots out to play England in the first Test, in the glass hothouse of the Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin? How will it play?
The only common ground with the dynasties of the recent past is the presence of Sir Wayne Smith as ‘performance coach’. Direct answers to the key questions have been few and far between, and Scott Robertson has been giving nothing away since the announcement of the 32-man squad to face the men in white.
The shroud of fog has only thickened with a selection split up by coaching responsibility:
“The way I set up my coaching groups is to ask them to select the area they coach.
Me: loose forwards. Jason Ryan: tight five. Scott Hansen: nine and 10. Jason Holland is midfield and Leon [MacDonald] the outside backs.
“They’ve all played in that area and they’ve all coached in that area, so they’re experts. They have tracked all the players and given them feedback throughout the season.
“In the end, I have the final call, but it makes it robust. There’s ownership and accountability. You have to own those selections and you have to own the players you have selected.”
It doesn’t give much clue, and neither did MacDonald’s following comments about a revolution in playing style:
“We ripped up the [Ian Foster] playbook and started fresh. We looked around at a lot of rugby, we’ve all had projects and come together. And we feel we’ve got a game that suits our players and the way we want to play the game at international level.”
But what is that game going to be, and who are the best players available to oil the cogs in the machine? There were hints in both the inclusions and exclusions from the recently-announced squad, which allow some reading between the lines, and give a strong premonition of the shape of the new All Blacks under ‘Razor’ Robertson.
The front row selection contains three very large men at tight-head prop – Tyrel Lomax at 6ft 4ins and 130kg, Tamaiti Williams at 6ft 5ins and 140kg, and bolter Pasilio Tosi, all 6ft 4ins and 145kg of him, who understudies Lomax at the Hurricanes. As Sir John Kirwan commented on Sky Sport’s The Breakdown: “What is the All Blacks’ point of difference? We have these huge young men coming through [at prop] but they are also athletes. Are we looking at really dynamic [forward] ball-carriers, with late feet at the line?”
The other positions in the forward pyramid enjoy a plentiful trickle-down of athleticism and agility: from hooker at the apex, through a couple of second rows who have both spent a considerable amount of time playing six, all the way down to a back-row base which is almost certain to feature Ardie Savea as starting number eight. Here is ex-All Black turned pundit Jeff Wilson on the same show: “The selection of the three hookers [Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua and George Bell] tells me the kind of athleticism [they want] – guys on the edge, carrying the ball out in the open spaces to play at high speed.”
In the backs, nine of the players selected can play either on the wing or at full-back. Beauden Barrett has been picked as one of two fly-halves, but does anyone really doubt he will be shifted to start at full-back this month?
Kirwan: “We have a strong outside backs contingent, we have taken more outside backs than midfielders. I think with a northern hemisphere opposition and South Africa, a specialist full-back is fundamental and we need to be nailing the high ball.”
Wilson: “Barrett has been named as a first five-eighth but I am expecting to see him at full-back. We have taken four specialist wings but with no specialist cover at full-back.”
The selection has the philosophy of the great silent partner, Smith, writ large in the margins. His fingerprints are all over the paper: big men at prop, but athletes rather than pure power-players at all the other six spots in the pack; a heavy weighting to explosive quality in the back three, which even extends to the men likely to be picked as the starters in midfield – the trio of Damian McKenzie, Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane have all played international rugby at full-back or on the wing.
These All Blacks will not be espousing the style of the winners of Super Rugby Pacific, Stern Vern Cotter’s Blues, nor will they be perpetuating the ball-control philosophy of Australia-bound Joe Schmidt. They will be built on lines far closer to Smithy’s beloved Chiefs.
In the recently concluded tournament, the Blues ranked top in active time-of-possession [19.4 minutes per game] while the Chiefs rated a lowly fourth of the five New Zealand franchises at two minutes less per game. The Blues scored only 48% of their tries in the first three phases, the Chiefs upped that to 67%.
Cotter’s men averaged 107 rucks per game with 65% lightning-quick ball – the other four provinces averaged out at 85 rucks with 48% of LQB. Scott Robertson will likely opt for the second of the two templates and shun the lessons of that Auckland triumph at Eden Park. That is why there are only three Blues among the 18 squad forwards selected, despite Cotter’s pack carrying all before them at provincial level.
It is also why an eight as good as Hoskins Sotutu was passed over, much to Kirwan’s consternation: “Hoskins has played well all year, so he will be disappointed. I don’t know what more he needs to do.”
The back-row stats make for interesting reading. Here is a table including Razor’s picks, plus a couple of the likely lads who missed out.
- Ethan Blackadder [injury meant less than 400 minutes played] and Ardie Savea [playing in Japan] are excluded from the table.
During SRP, the Blues carried more but passed less than the Chiefs, they generated fewer line-breaks and used the grind of pick and go and one-out run in a ratio of roughly 2:1 compared to their grand final rivals. The stats at number eight say all that needs to be said: Sititi offers a big future: great work rate and more explosiveness on the carry, but Sotutu is the more rounded forward right now, particularly at lineout, in the passing game and at breakdown. There is no place for a ball-carrying number 7 such as Peter Lakai because carrying will not be a primary need in that spot.
The problem for Razor and Smithy is the Chiefs’ fluid counter-attacking model was totally overwhelmed by the Blues’ ball-control game in the final. A comparison of the stats at eight provides a case in point. Sititi’s numbers were impressive in isolation: he posted 20 tackles and 9 carries for 71 metres with six breaks or busts, compared to a mere five stops by Sotutu, who ran 15 for 76m with no breaks at all.
It was the Blues man’s all-round ability which counted for more. Sititi began the game with a bang.
In both clips, there is the requisite late footwork at the line and terrific lower body power to beat the first defender. But the game offered by Sotutu was far more wide-ranging. The Auckland eight topped the lineout charts, winning six of the Blues’ throws and stealing one of the opposition feeds.
On the Blues throw, he was equally comfortable setting ball off-the-top or on the drive.
On this evidence, Sotutu is the best back-row lineout forward in New Zealand, although the Crusaders’ Cullen Grace might argue the point.
He also possesses better balance between run and pass than Sititi, and keeps the option between the two open for longer, particularly in the all-important red zone.
Late hands at the line, or late decision-making at the base, may be just as valuable, if not more so, than ‘late feet’!
There is no doubt Robertson’s All Blacks are following a very different star to Ian Foster’s charges over the last World Cup cycle. With Smith at his shoulder, Razor will take a step backwards, returning to New Zealand’s favoured kick and turnover counter game to move forwards once again. With McKenzie and Barrett likely to be paired together in the Kiwi backfield, it is too good an opportunity to pass up.
The ball-control preference built in by Schmidt over the past two years will be dumped, and the success of Cotter’s Blues ignored. Whatever happens in the upcoming series, these All Blacks are already balanced on a razor’s edge.
No faint praise Nick. If that’s what you think I suspect you are reading into it two things, i’m trying to make his defensive involvement seem less than his competition when my deep dive showed that wasn’t the case, (and perhaps because I have different stats), and you are arguing his value, where I am discussing the reasons for his exclusion.
The match pack I linked https://super.rugby/superrugby/documents/2024-srp-match-packs/grand-final/blues-v-chiefs/
an image of the ref. stats https://prnt.sc/ad06YXPnC2XB
I think I’ll look at all these numbers again with some of their weak points from the England game in mind as well.
It’s an attitude thing that the coaches have with Sotutu. Robertson might of picked the loosies but it was Ryan who has put his foot down here. I’m not a big fan of Sotutu but the stats argument has been used unfairly to justify his non selection. They are without context to the style of play and the opposition. Ryan mentioned something about body language on defence which is the give away in what they think of Sotutu as a person. He will not feature in any future AB selection. He should ask for a release and cash in declaring availability for Fiji or England.
A bit harsh OM. He would not feature in any selection picked by Stern Vern if all you say is true - but he knuckled down and adapted to the new requirements.
Yeah, I’ve argued in Sotutu’s defence of those stats in my comment. In that thread I point out the ‘technique’ he shows in the assist’s, even that looks very off the cuff laissez faire style.
Those stats are way off btw definitely way off
No, they are not - what you mean is that they are way off what you would like them to be.
Show me yours [if you have any].
Finau to be red carded for a late tackle on Smith. He won’t be able to help himself.
Oh are you the John who is the horrible Aussie troll? Definitely part of the problem
A red card for a late tackle? People like you are part of the problem
I agree that Sotutu is the better-rounded backrow forward, but No.8 is a specialist position and Sititi is the better specialist. Sotutu is taller, faster and the better lineout exponent, but Sititi has the greater acceleration, a lower body position and better post contact leg drive. In running the ball back from depth, Sititi immediately accelerates to top speed, trusting in his power and footwork to breach the line. By contrast, Sotutu begins his run at half pace whilst looking for a weak spot in the line. By the time he reaches the line, the gap has closed.
That said, there is a real weakness in the backrow selection. Robertson has picked four sevens, Jacobson, Papalii, Savea and Blackadder. He has chosen five No.8s, adding Sititi to the previously named four, but just one specialist six. Blackadder is an excellent Rugby player with a high work rate, a truckload of aggression and devastating power in the tackle, but I do not see how the All Blacks can find a use for him. He is too short and too light for six, and he is too slow for either seven or eight. Bench? Papalii is the faster finisher and Savea is much faster. In my view, Blackadder should have been left in the wider training group for spare parts. His spot should have been taken by Cameron Suafoa, Jaime Hannah or Naitoa Ah Khoi, all of whom can cover lock or six off the bench.
Suafoa would have been a great story for what I suspect might be the biggest media event for any WR tours window yet. NZ’s squad naming was fairly ho hum, England nailed theres and probably generated the most interest world wide as a result.
Suafoa is actually an 8 who has been used at lock. I am hopeful that Stern Vern will play him there next Super season..
I don’t agree that Sititi is th better specialist #8 R. All you have really said is thet Sititi is a more explosive runner, which I acknowledge in the piece.
But there’s only one B/R lineout player in Finau and he is hardly any Lawes or O’Mahony in that area.
Good point about Blackadder, they will like him as cover across the B/R but if he starts he will prob be like Joacboson, a big #7 only.
Trying to explain a likely game plan on stats is pretty one dimensional. Stats are relevant to the game plans and standing of the teams they played in. Skill set and what you do with that will determine how the AB’S perform. Looking forward to seeing what that is and how it adapts. Smith/McDonald and Razor outhought and out innovated the opposition when running the crusaders. This is up a level but underestimating them and looking to the past for answers is a loosing formula
I think you’re mixing your past AB coachs Smith and Hansen. There is a different Hansen on this team whos a sader, yeah. I don’t buy the authors involvement of Wayne Smith either.
The article was also about ‘what isn’t the likely game plan’ based on stats too btw.
If you read more carefully you’ll see stats are only part of the equation. The balance of individual skill-sets is also a factor as is Wayne Smith’s presence in the background.
I’d be wary of believing Razor and a staff brand-new to Test rugby [apart from Smithy and Jse Ryan] will sweep all before them. That is pretty naive.
The ‘Professor’ would be the first to state that it is Razor’s own fingertips that are all over his own blueprint. OverANALysis misses Razor’s key strengths as a coach: selecting, building & empowering, his COACHING team. And leading them. Smith is more of an ‘ear’ not a ‘hand’.
Razor is no fool, and he will listen to those who have been there before… He is on a learning mission which is why the team selected has a fairly even mix of players from the five franchises.
Great piece, Nick. This is a really fascinating series. I will support the AB’s against England generally, but I really like this English side. They come into NZ on a rising plane….good RWC,and that after looking very poor in the warm up games. Then the defeat of Ireland. They looked very well organised against Japan, who tried hard with their LQ game, but were swamped in the end.
With a new coaching team under Razor, and key players gone forever, or overseas, I really think the AB’s are vulnerable. They won’t replace Whitelock and Retallick to any significant extent this year, I suspect, and they certainly won’t replace Mo’unga either.
I am not at all confident that Beauden Barrett will stand up well to this England team, at either 10, unlikely, or at 15, more likely. and he is now in his 34th year of life. Personally, I would not select him at all in the 23.
Bottom line, I fear for the AB’s. A loss in the first game, and the knives will start to be unsheathed. Hoskin’s Sotutu’s omission will be a hot topic then, I would think.
I don’t think it can get any hotter Miz. And it’s certainly a toss up between who you wouldn’t want in the 23, for me.
Bottom line, I have for your, is fear the AB’s. Despite all you’ve said, no one gives it 110%, better than the All Blacks. This will be another such occasion.
Yes it is the most fascinating series of the lot in July Miz. Ireland-SA we kinda know what we are going to get - even if it is high-quality stuff. Eng-NZ, not so much.
I am nt sure about the ABs back five forwards, and their 9-10 axis will come under pressure they have not experienced in SRP. So it’s a tantalising prospect!
Yeah Sotutu was good all year, those assists numbers are crazy. Certainly his workrate looks sus in that table, defensive work well off his teammate (despite both hitting same ruck %), could that be due in part to his lineout roll?
Sotutu 40% dominant carry, committing extra tackles 62%. 78% ruck effectiveness on offence, 18% on D.
Sititi 55% DC, 65%. 87%, 11.
Ioane 35, 70. 80(much high volume that Sotutu with less minutes), 16.
Earl 34, 60. 88, 24 (more technical league, easier?)
Sotutu also had much high steals and turnovers than all (a fair amount more minutes too though, still higher % I’d say).
Of course Sotutu was first chosen after a breakout season, so that he himself likely lost his spot to another with a breakout season doesn’t leave much room to complain. Thing they still might feel with him, is that he is probably the SRP forward equivalent of Shaun Stevenson.
That lineout steal is more to do with what I had previously been saying about McMillan not giving Thompson enough prep and game time. He obviously just missread that call and threw it to the front jumper.
Stern Verns style though is what we had all been crying out for Ian Foster to embrace in the All Blacks play. It was the only method in which that (2020-22) team could reliably hold the ball while gaining territory. Of course, he also shunned it. Went the other way and selected younger ball carriers and someone who could free up the backline, and we saw no more of Ardie or Samisoni eating up the easy meters. Still a missed trick I thought might return during the RWC.
Hit the nail on the head with the setting for this one though, Nick! This is deja vu feeling for me.. there is something else this time as well though..
So often have we heard stories like these (from tourists/strting the year) but when it came down to it, the comparisons were always on different levels. The All Blacks are used to coming out of the blocks and blowing sides away. This very much has that feel. Then theres also the last 4 years that are there, somewhere, giving a feeling of imparting reality that makes you question if the past (history) you know was seen through rose tinted glasses. I really liked JDs begging in his last article, it hinted at it, with line like “we have never lost to Scotland”. Like really? We’ve come down to labelling our Scotland record as our ‘shinning light’ now? But we still have one!
And, as I just read JDs French revolution series, this feeling goes all the way back to what, 94, when the French won both games(and then lost in atrocious conditions, again, or whatever in the following years RWC Semi-Final)?
The explosive athletes have obviously gone too far one way, and I certainly hope there is a bit of subtlety to come our way soon. ALB doesn’t provide it at Int anymore, I certainly hope Havili is not asked to try his hand again at showing the way. Players like Poihipi, Plummer, Nanai-Seturo are just a call away. I miss my Smith’s and ageless Nonu in the backline. I certainly don’t want it continuing in that direction and players like AJ Lam being thought of in the midfield.
Did you near choke when you heard Mils Muliaina (another in that above preferred category) say who he thought would be the playmakers?
Sotutu’s tackle numbers are down for the same reason as in the final game. The Blues had the ball most of the time so he didn’t have to make as many.
And I’d guess the Blues prob wnated to see Dalton make most of the tackles and Hoskins over the ball.
No way can either Ardie or Sititi rival his lineout production.
Does it though? It used to happen when tours occurred in June and clashed with end-of-season finals etc, but things are more organised now, and this England squad looks pretty well tooled up.
Thanks for the namechecks😂
Obviously the three mentions of Scotland was a bit of banter with my English mates. Hope I didn't overdo it…