Should Leinster beat La Rochelle in Dublin on Saturday they will equal Toulouse’s feat of five Champions Cup titles. Some achievement, and the Irish side will deserve all the accolades for their outstanding performances this season.
But let’s be honest, they’ve done it the easy way, as they have with all their previous triumphs in Europe. It’s why Leinster, in this writers’ opinion, don’t deserve to rank alongside Toulouse, or even Saracens or Toulon, as Champions Cup royalty.
The French and the English clubs juggle Europe with their domestic leagues which, in the case of the Top 14, is widely accepted to be the most physically demanding club competition in world rugby. Leinster, on the other hand, have one squad for the Champions Cup and one for the United Rugby Championship [URC]. So I can respectfully answer the question raised by my RugbyPass colleague Russell Forbes, why Leinster are so far ahead of the chasing pack?
I can hear the guffaws and indignation already from Ireland so I’ll state my case with cold hard statistics. Let’s start with the 2017 European final between Saracens and Clermont, which the English club won 28-17. If we select two backs and two forwards from each side and tot up the minutes of club rugby they played in the 2016-17 season they are strikingly similar. In the back-row Billy Vunipola played 1,607 minutes of rugby, 154 minutes fewer than Damien Chouly. In other words over the course of the season, the Clermont flanker played just under two matches more than his English rival.
The two hookers, Jamie George and Benjamin Kayser, played 1,531 and 1,598 minutes respectively, a difference of just 67 minutes.
It was even closer in the backs: Clermont centre Remi Lamerat totalled 1,723 minutes of game time over the season, while Brad Barritt racked up 1,816 minutes.
At fly-half there was barely anything to choose between Owen Farrell and Camille Lopez, who between them accumulated 4,332 minutes of rugby in the 2016-17 season. The Frenchman played 2,184 of those minutes, 36 more than the Saracens fly-half.
Two years later Saracens played Leinster in the Champions Cup final, but this time the disparity in playing time was striking.
Saracens’ full-back Andy Goode played 2,343 minutes of rugby in the 2018-19 season, 1,213 more than his opposite number, Rob Kearney. Or framed another way: the Englishman played 15 games more that season than the Irishman.
Locks George Kruis and Devon Toner played 1,933 and 1,098 minutes of rugby respectively, and Maro Itoje totted up 1,719 minutes compared to Sean O’Brien’s 817. Physically and mentally, Leinster were far fresher than their English opponents, Saracens
At fly-half Owen Farrell played 2,130 minutes and Jonny Sexton 1,248, a difference of 11 matches over the season.
The gulf was as wide in the pack. Locks George Kruis and Devon Toner played 1,933 and 1,098 minutes of rugby respectively, and Maro Itoje totted up 1,719 minutes compared to Sean O’Brien’s 817. Physically and mentally, Leinster were far fresher than their English opponents and it says much for Saracens’ stamina that they were still able to grind out a 20-10 victory.
This pattern was repeated in last year’s final between La Rochelle and Leinster. If one selects three internationals from each side in similar positions: French prop Uini Atonio, No 8 Grégory Alldritt and centre Jonathan Danty, and Irishmen Tadhg Furlong, Jack Conan and Robbie Henshaw, there is a glaring divergence in game time over the 2021-22 season.
Atonio played 626 more minutes than Furlong (the equivalent of eight matches), Alldritt 990 more than Conan (12 matches) and Danty 668 more minutes than Henshaw (8 matches). And these are hard minutes against some of the best club sides in the world.
The one exception was second-row Ross Molony, the only uncapped player in the Leinster pack. He played 1517 minutes of rugby last season, 96 more than La Rochelle’s giant Australian lock Will Skelton. That was because Molony was a regular in the URC matches, starting 12 matches. Between them, Furlong, Conan and Henshaw started just 13 URC matches in the 2021-22 season.
In his well-researched article last month, Russell Forbes cited Leinster’s squad depth as “one of their biggest strengths…[as] it highlights Leinster’s ability to be able to successfully utilise their squad size and maintain their standards”.
But aren’t they able to maintain their standards because the URC is a much less demanding league than the Top 14? It’s three weeks shorter for a start. There’s not the threat of relegation and, with the greatest of respect, at least half a dozen clubs in the URC would struggle to survive in the ProD2, the French second division, let alone the Top 14. As a result Leinster can put out a second string XV in most URC matches, keeping their first choice players free for Ireland internationals and the Champions Cup.
This Leinster squad are no doubt a highly-talented unit, as Forbes highlighted in his article. Off-the-field and on it, they are fit, disciplined and cohesive. They have been the most consistent side in this season’s Champions Cup
The French clubs don’t have that luxury. A week after they had thrashed Toulouse 41-22 in their Champions Cup semi-final, Leinster rested nine of that starting XV for the URC quarter-final clash against the Sharks. Perhaps that is why only 15,000 fans turned up to the Aviva.
One of the few Leinstermen who played in both matches was full-back Hugo Keenan, though the Sharks game was only his fourth URC start this season – the same number as prop Andrew Porter and loose forward Jack Conan; Brice Dulin has made 17 Top 14 starts for La Rochelle this season, Uini Atonio 11 and Gregory Alldritt ten.
This Leinster squad are no doubt a highly-talented unit, as Forbes highlighted in his article. Off-the-field and on it, they are fit, disciplined and cohesive. They have been the most consistent side in this season’s Champions Cup and few neutral fans would begrudge them winning their fifth European crown on Saturday in front of their magnificently raucous supporters in Dublin.
But one shouldn’t dodge the fact that Leinster have a clear advantage over their French and English rivals; it’s not an unfair advantage because that would imply that they’re bending the rules. They’re not; they just play in a domestic competition that while improving with the injection of South African power, is still sufficiently weak enough to allow them to field a second string XV for most matches, and keep their first string fresh and fit for Europe.
“We want to be successful on both fronts, which is not easy,” said Leinster head coach Leo Cullen, in the build up to the URC quarter-final against Sharks. That ambition is no more after Leinster’s B team lost to Munster’s A team at the weekend in the URC semi-final, by a point.
La Rochelle are still in the hunt for a domestic and European double, and should they do it, they will join Toulouse (1996 & 2021) and Toulon (2014) as the only French clubs to achieve the feat. That is true greatness.
Great article. Teams that win aren't as good as teams that don't win because of some arbitrary standard. Its just basic logic being applied by a rugby intellectual. For instance Argentina soccer team aren't the best because their domestic league isn't the best. It's just logic at the end of the day.
Clueless Stephen Jonesesque drivel. Why chose the lowest common denominator as the "correct" way to win. So does that invalidate any of the non English or French victories?
When Leinster won in 2011 they had RAcing, Saracens, and Clermont in their group. Then they played Leicester and after Toulouse in the semis before the comeback in the final? That's hardly the easy way.
Also- a lot of that Leinster team were busy during the summer winning a test series in NZ. What were the French players doing?
I wonder can this article traced to the authors previous animus towards Stuart Lancaster.
“I can hear the guffaws and indignation from all over Ireland”. You are suggesting that the Scotish, Welsh and Italian teams are shite - that’s not of our making. Also you should have allowed for the fact that Leinster provide most of the national squad - so they have to rotate as your reference to Ross Maloney speaks to. By the way you failed to mention that Toulouse rested most of their first team squad the week before their semi final match against Leinster, yet we still one lost. La Rochelle have rested most of their first team squad against Montpellier one week before the final. Be objective for Gods sake and less of this miserable begrudgery.
Other commenters (Ronan, Eoin) have rightly pointed out the ridiculous nature of this bitter and begrudging piece of clickbait tripe, so let me focus on something else. It betrays a bizarrely arrogant loser’s mentality and some thinly veiled anti-Irish incredulity (“How dare Leinster continue to challenge for the competition even after the brave and righteous English clubs restructured the competition… it must be unfair!” . You can be sure Ronan O’Gara, win or lose on Saturday, conversely has an elite mentality and will not make the same sad points because rather than moan about Leinster. Instead he is focused on working (with a healthy budget) within the system LR find themselves in, to also compete on two fronts. A quick reminder that Leinster do not control the strength or format of the URC, and no one (certainly not Leinster) has imposed the English or French league systems on those respective countries, they could move to using central contracts if they wished for instance. Young Gavin may think Leinster are the root of all evil, but their 23 on Saturday will likely contain between 18-20 homegrown players who came through the Leinster academy. No other club in the world - not even the Crusaders or Toulouse - comes closes to that.
So sick of this garbage. All season Leinster fans have had to listen to media and other coaches complain about advantages, everything from demographics to finances to what now? Player welfare? The Irish system looks after it’s players a lot more than in England and France. Leinster gamble during the season by sending weakened teams to the likes of Munster, Glasgow and down to SA but guess what? It works for them. To say that they wouldn’t be considered on the same level as Toulouse were they to win this weekend is a disgrace. Saracens actually broke the rules and Toulon were a team of galacticos during those 3 years. Leinster didn’t have it easy at all during their previous wins:
Away semi in 09 against defending champs. Coming from 22-6 down at HT in the 2011 final. Beating a peak of their powers Clermont 19-15 in Bordeaux in 2012 and beating the defending champions Saracens in 2018. Utter nonsense and begrudgery at its finest. Leinster are damned if they do and damned if they don’t in some people’s eyes.
Silly article, so because a club manages its players minutes better and manages to win 4 European cups, they should be considered less valuable than other winners? Well then we should also include how many players are home grown versus foreign paid for players? What about injuries managed throughout a season? What about Saracens cheating in their domestic league? Longevity of competing across 30 years of Heineken/Champions cup? How many finals/semi finals and so on have clubs had. Stop trying to devalue a clubs achievements because the route is a little different. You can make arguments as to why one win is less valuable than another's all over the place. Name on the cup is ultimately what determines the teams legacy.
Lordy! the Easier way 🤦 hmm - still a class act!!!
Due to a double booking issue with Bruce Springsteen in the RDS for that sharks game, ticket sales for the aviva were capped at 15000.
Absolutely, Sarries send a second string to Bath and get smashed