There was a moment during the All Blacks recent loss to South Africa in Cape Town when the TV camera found New Zealand Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson in the crowd, his face set like thunder as he sensed that another defeat was coming.
But there was maybe something deeper than annoyance, or frustration brewing within Robinson.
There was maybe an element of regret, or panic, that he had made a terrible mistake by effectively deciding to axe former All Blacks coach Ian Foster in February last year.
Robinson will say there was no axing, and that he and his board simply decided to break with tradition and conduct the process to find the next All Blacks coach six months before a World Cup.
There had been widespread criticism in 2019, when after Steve Hansen announced a year ahead of his contract expiring that he would not be seeking reappointment, that NZR waited until after the World Cup that year to start the search for his successor.
Waiting 10 months to get on with the process meant a host of good candidates – Dave Rennie, Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown to name a few – committed to jobs elsewhere, and the All Blacks arguably didn’t get the best coaching group but the nest available coaching group.
With that in mind, Robinson and his board decided in early 2023 that they were not going to let history repeat and hence opened applications for the All Blacks coaching role (to start in 2024).
But as much as they tried to claim it was bringing New Zealand into line with other countries and was high-performance best practice, there was an equally compelling argument to say this was deliberately designed to ensure the process led to Crusaders coach Scott Robertson getting the job.
By holding the process in February 2023, Foster knew he didn’t have the results behind him to make a strong bid. He needed to be judged on what he delivered at the World Cup and without the chance to do that, he decided he wouldn’t apply.
And, arguably, NZR suspected that Foster wouldn’t apply and even if he did, they already knew that they wanted to give the job to Robertson, who had delivered six Super Rugby titles and was reportedly in high demand around the world.
Schmidt brought experience from the Northern Hemisphere and vast knowledge about the international game and he was held in such high regard by the board, that when there was a possibility mid-way through 2022 that they were going to sack Foster, the former Ireland supremo was asked if he would be willing to work with Robertson
The last thing they wanted was yet more media headlines suggesting they had sat on their hands and lost another great potential All Blacks head coach.
The only downside of running the process early was that it meant NZR would also lose Joe Schmidt, the former Ireland coach having joined Foster’s team as an assistant in 2022.
Schmidt brought experience from the Northern Hemisphere and vast knowledge about the international game and he was held in such high regard by the board, that when there was a possibility mid-way through 2022 that they were going to sack Foster, the former Ireland supremo was asked if he would be willing to work with Robertson – who was being lined up to take over.
The board had asked Robertson, should he have to step into the role at short notice, who he would take with him, and they felt his wider coaching team was missing international experience. They said it lacked a real heavyweight who could help prepare the team for a knock-out fixture against either Ireland or South Africa – who the All Blacks were destined to play in the 2023 World Cup quarter-final.
Hence the reason for seeing whether Schmidt could be included. When Schmidt said no to Robertson, the board flipped and decided to retain Foster.
But by early 2023, even Schmidt was seen as dispensable in the quest to get Robertson installed in the head coaching role and, perhaps, all this was spinning around in Robinson’s head as the cameras panned in on him in Cape Town as he watched the All Blacks, for the fourth successive Test, fail to score any points in the final quarter.
Foster took ample media criticism for his record, but the All Blacks won the Rugby Championship in 2021, 2022 and 2023 – beating South Africa at least once in all three years – they posted a 90 per cent win ratio against Australia.
The defeat in Cape Town killed any realistic chance of retaining the Rugby Championship and saw the Freedom Cup transfer to South Africa for the first time in history.
This was never meant to be how things would play out in 2024, and there’s no question that Robinson and his board may have underestimated the coaching qualities of Foster and Schmidt.
Foster took ample media criticism for his record, but the All Blacks won the Rugby Championship in 2021, 2022 and 2023 – beating South Africa at least once in all three years – they posted a 90 per cent win ratio against Australia, made the final of the World Cup and won 70 per cent of their Tests.
It wasn’t the same sort of success the All Blacks had enjoyed under Steve Hansen who between 2012 and 2019, won 87 per cent of the time, but it was better than the record Robertson is amassing in 2024, which has his team lose a home game to Argentina, and fail to win in South Africa which means there is virtually no chance of retaining the Rugby Championship.
But the real kicker in all this may yet still be to come, because the full impact of the decision to axe Foster last year has maybe not yet have been felt.
One of the other by-products of that decision was Schmidt leaving New Zealand to take up the role as head coach of the Wallabies.
And so NZR have ousted a coaching duo that were delivering a 71 per cent win ratio, for one that is sitting on a 57 per cent win rate, and they have seen one half of that duo jump the ditch to work for the enemy where his presence will unquestionably be felt in these upcoming Bledisloe Cup clashes.
Nothing will scream mistake quite like seeing a Schmidt-coached Wallabies beat the All Blacks for the first time since 2020.
Surely, though, such a scenario is too far-fetched, as the Wallabies capitulated in their last Test, going down 67-20 to the Pumas.
But modern rugby is such that games can get away on teams and the scoreline in Santa Fe will likely prove an aberration.
This Bledisloe clash, is however, one which the All Blacks really can’t afford to lose. They are coming into it on the back of consecutive defeats, and a third will leave them on a 50 per cent win ratio in 2024 and open a whole series of questions about NZR’s decision-making in early 2023.
All Blacks forwards coach Jason Ryan says he can see that Schmidt has already had a positive impact on the Wallabies even if the results to date don’t necessarily suggest that.
“They’ll want to play fast,” Ryan said of the Wallabies. “He puts a lot of work into the breakdown side of things.
“He’s had a good influence on their side already. He knows the game. I’ve got a lot of respect for him. Come this test, they’ll be right on – as we will be too.”
It’s supposedly true that the All Blacks can’t afford to lose any Test such is the value of their winning legacy built over more than 100 years, but their fan base and commercial backers all accept that the record can’t be perfect.
This Bledisloe clash, is however, one which the All Blacks really can’t afford to lose. They are coming into it on the back of consecutive defeats, and a third will leave them on a 50 per cent win ratio in 2024 and open a whole series of questions about NZR’s decision-making in early 2023.
NZR won’t be able to cope with a scenario in which the coach they let go then masterminds a stunning and unexpected defeat of the All Blacks.
It will be an unimaginably difficult pill for NZR to swallow seeing Schmidt outfox and outcoach the All Blacks – something he did twice before when he was with Ireland.
That scenario would be disastrous for personal reputations within the NZR executive, it would be disastrous for Robertson’s tenure, and it would be disastrous for the commercial team who are trying to sell sponsorships on the strength of the win record.
It’s hardly an exaggeration, then, to suggest that the pressure on the All Blacks is intense to not just retain the Bledisloe but outsmart and out coach Schmidt is considerable.
The public need to see NZR’s decision to appoint Robertson in the manner in which it did, justified, and it has to come by producing a comprehensive victory in Sydney in which the All Blacks play imaginative and cohesive rugby.
I'm calling it, this coaching setup is a disaster.
However the main disaster in NZ rugby is due to the player contracts and player power the Allblacks keep trotting out the same players until they've got greybeards.
Cane has been there since 2012 and yet each NZ franchise each year has at least two openside flankers.
What are the odds that NZ rugby can only find one seven capable of openside since 2012? And why on earth stress he get to be number one side 2016 and until he retires allegedly at the end of 2024?
Where is the investigation into where Dalton has disappeared to? What did he do wrong to be dropped other than not be Cane and not in the inner circle?
This starves the Allblacks of experienced depth and creates a crevice after each works cup.
The Allblacks have only got one new lock since forever in Tupou Vai and Darry and Lord are getting barely any minutes.
Cane and Savea are losers, so is McKenzie. They never win big competitions, that's not being mean or not suggesting they're not very good players, it's just stating their achievements at world cups.
NZ rugby needs to go back to selecting the Allblacks seasonally and stop picking players to start together that win nothing of consequence.
The Auckland blues won super rugby but you wouldn't think it with all the Crusaders and chiefs in the 23 for this Saturday.
I presume you think you could do better ? And using this forum to call long serving aLL BLACKS losers is sour grapes for someone who just bullies a typewriter.....save your vitriol to people who deserve abuse! Will Auckland even win the NPC finals as well ha ha no chance!Think they lot their first five games! NB idon't call them losers!
Once Razor gets his own bomb squad trained up and performing as well as the run-on team, the ABs will again be the team to beat.
I can't remember previously reading an article which was based on what someone might be thinking!
I wonder how many of the moaners would have complained if NZR hadn't done the same as most other countries and locked in their coach before the World Cup.
Every year we read about the Wallabies chances in the Bledisloe cup.
And every year the same result.
This time around the chances are even more slim. 1. This is the worst Australian side for some time. With or without Schmidt. He’s no miracle worker. 2. This is still a very good NZ team. Despite the absolute mess they’ve made around running the team. If Argentina can put 40 on Australia - NZ can put 40 on them. No problem.
It’s going to be a 20+ ball game in NZs favour. Minimum. And then NZ will be back in their public’s good books.
If they pump Australia again, they’ll be declared the next World Cup winners with Ireland. Shared.
Until the autumn tests of course. When NZ lose one or both games against the Irish and French and we’ll be back to this story again.
Ahh. The media and fans. So predictable and fickle.
The ABs will become consistent winners again once razors has had the opportunity to learn how to be an international coach. He’s only been doing it for a few months now.
Like I’ve said before. Razor waking in and blowing the competition out of the water is insulting to the many fantastic international coaches who has to work hard to get to that level of success. Even the great Henry and Hansen had to slum it in Wales.
If NZRU actually knew what they were doing they’d have developed their boy razor more. They’ve set him up for failure. They should have retained Foster (or Schmidt) instead of discarding him like a leper.
But at least one thing is certain on the horizon. If Razor doesn’t cut it beyond 2027 - SARU and Rassie Erasmus would have done the good work for them and prepped Tony Brown for the job. I just hope he tells them to stuff it because he’s being treated so well by an organization that knows how to treat its people.
I've never understood why Razor stayed on in NZ after winning 3 SR titles in a row. Surely at that point it's time to look for the next thing, which at that stage of his career should not have been the ABs, and arguably still shouldn't be given his lack of experience in International rugby. What was gained by staying on at the Crusaders to win 4 more titles?
2 years in the premiership, 2 years as an assistant international coach, then 4 years taking a team through a WC cycle would have given him what he needed to be the best ABs coach. As it is he is learning on the job, and his inexperience shows even more when he surrounds himself with assistant coaches who have no top international experience either.
He is being faced with extreme adversity and pressure now, possibly for the first time in his coaching career. Maybe he will come through well and maybe he won't, but the point is the coaching selection process is so flawed that he is doing it for the first time while in arguably the top coaching job in world rugby. It's like your first job out of university being the CEO of Microsoft or Google.
There was talk of him going to England if the ABs didn't get him, that would have been perfect in my opinion. That is a super high pressure environment and NZR would have been way better off letting him learn the trade with someone else's team. I predicted when Razor was appointed that he would be axed or resign after 2 years then go on to have a lot of success in his next appointment. I hope that doesn't happen because it will mean a lot of turmoil for the ABs, but it's not unthinkable. Many of his moves so far look exactly like the early days of Foster's era when he too was flanked by coaches who were not up to the job. I would like to see some combination of Cotter, Joseph, Brown, and Felix Jones come into the set up.
Schmidt is getting paid a million dollars a year. For that money you should be a miracle worker and not sabotage the team by constantly changing it and refusing to select our best players
Mate learn about rugby. Brown is no head coach for starters. Razor will succeed, even with the weight of guys like you bagging out his every move.
Foster knew he was so far out of depth that he wouldn't have a useful role in the NZ organisation, so refused to even entertain talks.
Brown has tried out head coaching at the Highlanders and decided that he's better suited to being an assistant. We know that Razor wanted him on board in 2019 but he was only interested in working with Joseph at the time.
Agreed that we need to be patient while Razor learns the ropes.
ABs beat IRE 42-19 the only time Schmidt took full control when Foster was laid low with COVID. It looked certain he would eventually get the job.
He's a terrible fit for the wallopbies, too.
Schmidt is more a loss for NZ than he is a gain for Australia. Clearly he's an amazing analyst and tactician. The problem is Australia need a team builder to get the best from their sadly average playing stocks. It's difficult to both bury your head in video analysis and stats, while building winning team culture at the same time.
Agreed. Absolutely foolish to have let him go without some period of working with Razor. And absolutely telling that Schmidt didn’t want to.
Schmidt might be a good coach for dour cold miserable countries like Ireland and NZ but he is a terrible fit for a bright cheery sunny country like Australia, as the Wallabies have clearly shown.
It's clear the Wallaby players can't stand his dark morose negative outlook. Can't blame them.
That’s why he lives in NZ. Duh.
So you live outside of Aus then eh. Bright cherry country. Hehehe.
You can't put NZ and Ireland in the same basket. In NZ we grow grapes, avocados, oranges, olives and melanomas. In Ireland they grow potatoes. In saying that, most Irish friends I've had have been bright and cheery chaps despite their damp isles. Perhaps it's the Aussies who have a problem, not Shmidt.
After the Ireland series defeat NZR effectively dumped 2 coaches (who they scapegoated) and put in 2 new coaches meant to save the day who were also meant to be apart of the Robertson bandwagon who he himself was to jump on after the expected Rugby Championship failure of 2022. Foster was left with staff he did not want in a set up increasingly hostile to him. It was clear that Foster was in a desperate position but then having found their feet, beating the Boks in SA in 2022 and winning the Rugby Championship that year he had his blushes spared and they decided to retain him. Whichever way you look at it Foster got some big results. He won every Rugby Championship he competed in and was one game, one point and maybe 5mins away from winning the World Cup. Sure he had a 70% win record but in his last year just lost 2 test matches. They didn't even give him a chance to prove himself or show his worth before they replaced him. He deserved more having served NZR for so long. Robinson is a hack who only cares about himself and will throw a coach under the bus as quickly as he can to save face. Razor needs to watch his back now that he has started poorly. There's no other way to describe it. He has time to turn it around but with many difficult tests remaining this year deeper questions may be asked of him. If he doesn't he may just be on the receiving end of the stick which NZR once used against foster and waged in his favour.
The NZ team that almost put a 100 on Italy, beat Ireland and hammerred Argentina was a different beast to the team that lost the series in NZ. Clinical and lethal.
The Foster/Schmidt act certainly was working.
Schmidt has world rugby IQ also. Due to a variety of factors there are not many coaches like that in NZ but with the Irish/British/French/S.African mash there are plenty in that bigger group.
It may not be significant but I notice that NZ improved dramatically against Argentina a week after playing them in the flesh. The ability to accurately analyze and work out an opponent in great detail before playing them is a skillset not as required in league rugby where you see opponents often.
NZ were able to dismantle Ireland and co. under Foster/Schmidt. Not seeing it this time until the second match when first defgree evidence is available. NZ V SA is a different situation as those two have moulded each other over the years with not many chinks left to exploit.
Whats SK stand for? ...... Silly K...T?
The players' review said that Foster was a good head coach but Plums and Mooar weren't good assistants. Results show that NZR got that call right.
Razors a hack? Come on mate. He won 6 back to back super titles. You might want to turn the hyperbole down a notch or two.
I like the look for Foster better. Then Hansen, that sour demure look does an AB coach nicely.
Most importantly they would still have that look bumping into Mark Robinson in a dinner, Razor looks ridiculously too cheery for the move Mark is putting on him. I'd be like 'wtf dude, you're ruining my cool'.
Demure? TBH I got kinda bored hearing last year that Fozzie is such a nice guy. I could care less about a coach's personality so long as they get results.